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What is the meaning and theme of the 2016 movie "Hail Caesar"?

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The Slate.com Review says:

When it says that the movie is "told by two Jews", they must mean the Coen brothers.

Is the movie implying that the Virgin Mary secretly had sex out of marriage (raped like in the movie?) and then Jesus was adopted?

The Slate review references the part where Clooney forgets his line as a Roman soldier talking about Christianity "...if only we had faith":

 

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The New York Post associates the movie with its debut at Christmas:

The real-life scandals behind ‘Hail, Caesar!’ | New York Post
 
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Bp. Baron is saying how the movie starts with a crucifix and says Jesus is a theme. He points out that the confession by Mannix is sincere. Ben Hur and The Robe are what Bp. Baron sees as the movies referenced by Hail Caesar.

Bp Baron points out that the end of the movie has another confession scene with Mannix where he deals with tensions. The priest plays the role (allegorically) of the rabbi in A Serious Man, and says You have to do the right thing because God wants you to do the right thing." Yes, he is producing fantasies, but he is doing the right thing or what God wanted, and he gets a burst of confidence and goes back to work. Clooney comes back and says Communist dogma, and slaps him and says Go out there to be a movie star and do the right thing with his life. Then at the end of the movie, the actor delivers a wonderful speech of the purpose of life, and then only says "If only we could have ...." and the answer is faith. Bp. Baron sees this as key, and he needs faith to do that, with God's purpose in your life. Mannix means "man". Mensch in Yiddish refers to the spiritual idea of a good man. Be someone who takes the will and purpose of God seriously. The movie begins and ends with crucifixion of Jesus and with confession, the will and purpose of God.
 
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George Clooney messing up on saying "If only we had faith".

The Atlantic talks about the Rabbi-Priest debate:

This idea about Jesus being Part God or Christ being not God but the Son of God doesn't sound like either Protestant or Catholic theology, does it? I wonder why they wrote the script that way, then. Some non-mainstream Catholic and Protestant theologians talk that way.

 
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I saw that movie but didn't see that as the meaning behind it. It was boring tbh. Maybe I should watch it again after reading this & try to see what the article is talking about. I think it's on Netflix now.
 
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Clooney said his model for the movie was Victor Mature, who was in The Robe, rather than Ben Hur or Quo Vadis. I agree that The Robe seems to be the closest film to Hail Caesar.

Neither Ben Hur nor Quo Vadis feature as their protagonist a Roman Soldier who meets Christ at the Crucifixion (Does Ben Hur?).

Christianity Today's article says:
Do you think that the last reference "Divine Presence to be shot" has some cryptic meaning, as if it is referring to Clooney as a Christlike figure, since he was kidnapped right after that?

It brings to mind the idea mentioned in the film that Jesus could be God in the sense that the divine presence is in each one of us. I assume that the Coen brothers don't actually take Jesus to be God, and I am skeptical that they would in this film.

Are they implying that just as the Hollywood movies and industry were portraying a false reality and covering up scandals like drunkenness, were the gospels also portraying a fictional, glossed-over narrative, albeit one with morals?

The review concludes that the movie is "a grand mash-up that is then structured like one of the most enduringly popular genres: the biblical epic, the “Greatest Story Ever Told,” the archetypal tale of suffering and redemption."

But the review says not to take this relationship between Mannix and a Christ figure the whole way:
I am also hesitant to equate him with Jesus because Jesus in the gospels is not portrayed as committing sins, and Mannix's smoking image , mixed with his slapping of Clooney for making criticizims of the film industry and what we know about the negative side of the real life Mannix all goes against the "Christ figure" image.

Another difference is what the film notes about Mannix: "Every day is a fresh set of trials and temptations for the man of sorrows, but he never really faces crucifixion—just another day on set."


Clooney's figure.

To me, it seems that it is Clooney who undergoes the Passion, since he is slapped (by Jolin's character Mannix) for criticizing the film industry's financial decadence (like Jesus slapped by the guard after being arrested for opposing the moneychangers), then drinks a mix that puts him to sleep (like Jesus drinking a mix at the crucifixion after which Jesus died), and then wakes up surrounded by an underground cell of communists (like Jesus showing up surrounded by the underground Christians who were communists).

Is the Coens' movie implying that Jesus was only put asleep by the drink he was given and then woke up later? At one point Joseph Arimathene called Jesus' body a "soma" (sleeping body) when referring to it and talking to Pilate.
 
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The first paranormal or unnatural moment that I noticed was when the Communist study group was relaxing and some of them were putting a puzzle together, and they had put in all the pieces except for the final one, but the final one didn't fit, and they looked at each other quizzically. Now, such a moment is not impossible in nature - the company could have mistakenly sorted the pieces and confused a piece with one in a different set, but that would be extremely rare. It's a very "out of place" moment, and suggests the screenwriter is giving a deeper message.



 
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