What is the end goal for creationists these days?

dmmesdale · Dec 20, 2017

Ophiolite said:
And? In what way is that relevant to anything other than your amusing misinterpretations of science?

What is misrepresented? You need more than an empty accusation. I provided the quotes. What about them do you not understand? It also lead to forced sterilization in the United States prior to the 1940s by progressives. Females who were nonEuros because they were considered congenitally (At birth) defective by race. These are all facts, not in dispute. You are entitled to your opinion, not your facts.

Darwin wrote it and the Americal progressives applied it.

Speedwell · Dec 20, 2017

dmmesdale said:
What is misrepresented? You need more than an empty accusation. I provided the quotes. What about them do you not understand? It also lead to forced sterilization in the United States prior to the 1940s by progressives. Females who were nonEuros because they were considered congenitally (At birth) defective by race. These are all facts, not in dispute. You are entitled to your opinion, not your facts.

Darwin wrote it and the Americal progressives applied it.

So is this about the theory of evolution itself or just about that you don't like Liberals? Science or politics?
After all, we dropped atomic bombs on Japan, which many people think was wrong. Does that mean nuclear theory is wrong?

bhsmte · Dec 20, 2017

Speedwell said:
So is this about the theory of evolution itself or just about that you don't like Liberals? Science or politics?
After all, we dropped atomic bombs on Japan, which many people think was wrong. Does that mean nuclear theory is wrong?

Dont you know?

For some, any theory that contradicts their personal faith belief, has to be denied. Far too painful to acknowledge, so watch those defense mechanisms engage.

Ophiolite · Dec 20, 2017

dmmesdale said:
What is misrepresented? You need more than an empty accusation. I provided the quotes. What about them do you not understand? It also lead to forced sterilization in the United States prior to the 1940s by progressives. Females who were nonEuros because they were considered congenitally (At birth) defective by race. These are all facts, not in dispute. You are entitled to your opinion, not your facts.

Darwin wrote it and the Americal progressives applied it.

Darwin was not responsible for self-righteous elitists misunderstanding the significance of his work and then using it to justify their unjustified elitism. Nor was he responsible for your mirrored misinterpretation of both his findings and their misapplication in history.

AV1611VET · Dec 20, 2017

Ophiolite said:
Darwin was not responsible for self-righteous elitists misunderstanding the significance of his work and then using it to justify their unjustified elitism. Nor was he responsible for your mirrored misinterpretation of both his findings and their misapplication in history.

You mean like when he left his God-given calling behind to take a trip to a tropical paradise, then came back home diseased?

You mean like when he married his first cousin, had ten children, three of which died before age 10?

You mean like when he wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races, which gave us a more detailed look at:

He was nothing more than another Nimrod, who also left his God-given calling to build an empire that was so evil, the Antichrist will resurrect it during the Tribulation.

Speedwell · Dec 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
You mean like when he left his God-given calling behind to take a trip to a tropical paradise, then came back home diseased?

You mean like when he married his first cousin, had ten children, three of which died before age 10?

You mean like when he wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races, which gave us a more detailed look at:

He was nothing more than another Nimrod, who also left his God-given calling to build an empire that was so evil, the Antichrist will resurrect it during the Tribulation.

That's quite a lurid picture you're painting there--Darwin runs away to a tropical paradise and comes home with an STD?

AV1611VET · Dec 20, 2017

Speedwell said:
That's quite a lurid picture you're painting there--Darwin runs away to a tropical paradise and comes home with an STD?

Did I make it up?

(And I didn't say what disease it was. Do you know something I don't?)

Speedwell · Dec 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Did I make it up?

(And I didn't say what disease it was. Do you know something I don't?)

You spun it just a little. The relatively barren and semi-desert Galapagos Islands are hardly anybody's idea of a "tropical paradise."

AV1611VET · Dec 20, 2017

Speedwell said:
You spun it just a little. The relatively barren and semi-desert Galapagos Islands are hardly anybody's idea of a "tropical paradise."

You don't work for a travel agency, do you?

Aman777 · Dec 20, 2017

pitabread said:
Have creationists given up on overturning the scientific establishment?

Just one...it's the false ToE, which is not the scientific Truth, but instead is an incomplete false assumption of people who forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's firmament/heaven/universe. ll Peter 3:3-7

Other than that blatant misunderstanding, I should add the false assumption that Humans evolved from prehistoric people, who evolved from Apes. I suppose it's caused by the incomplete ToE which can NEVER tell us of our true beginnings. IF you understood His and Their kinds Gen 1:25, you could correct their error.

Astrophile · Dec 20, 2017

AV1611VET said:
You mean like when he married his first cousin, had ten children, three of which died before age 10?

Three deaths in childhood out of ten children was quite normal in the 19th century, even among the children of unrelated couples. Six of Darwin's children lived to be over 70; the eldest, Leonard Darwin, lived to be 93 (January 1850 to March 1943). Also, so far as I know, the Bible doesn't forbid the marriage of first cousins.

AV1611VET · Dec 20, 2017

Astrophile said:
Three deaths in childhood out of ten children was quite normal in the 19th century, even among the children of unrelated couples.

Except Darwin had a medical background and should have known better.

Astrophile said:
Six of Darwin's children lived to be over 70; the eldest, Leonard Darwin, lived to be 93 (January 1850 to March 1943).

Nice.

Astrophile said:
Also, so far as I know, the Bible doesn't forbid the marriage of first cousins.

But science warns us not to ... correct?

That would fall under #3 below:

1. Bible says X, science says X = go with X
2. Bible says X, science says Y = go with X
3. Bible says Ø, science says Y = go with Y
4. Bible says Ø, science says Ø = speculate

TLK Valentine · Dec 21, 2017

AV1611VET said:
You mean like when he left his God-given calling behind to take a trip to a tropical paradise, then came back home diseased?

He should've taken his vaccinations.

You mean like when he married his first cousin, had ten children, three of which died before age 10?

7 out of 10 isn't a bad average for those days.

You mean like when he wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races, which gave us a more detailed look at:

How adorable -- if you didn't know about natural selection, it wouldn't exist?

It's one thing to wear ignorance like a badge; quite another to clumsily wield it like a sword.

He was nothing more than another Nimrod, who also left his God-given calling to build an empire that was so evil, the Antichrist will resurrect it during the Tribulation.

I certainly hope you're not referring to ministry as his God-given calling... he was as talented at that as he was at his previous failed career choices...

AV1611VET · Dec 21, 2017

TLK Valentine said:
I certainly hope you're not referring to ministry as his God-given calling... he was as talented at that as he was at his previous failed career choices...

It could just be that God had chosen Darwin to be the one to discover a cure for cancer.

TLK Valentine · Dec 21, 2017

Ophiolite said:
Darwin was not responsible for self-righteous elitists misunderstanding the significance of his work and then using it to justify their unjustified elitism. Nor was he responsible for your mirrored misinterpretation of both his findings and their misapplication in history.

No more so than Jesus Christ is responsible for some of his followers burning crosses on the front lawns of people of darker skin colors than themselves...

AV1611VET · Dec 21, 2017

TLK Valentine said:
No more so than Jesus Christ is responsible for some of his followers burning crosses on the front lawns of people of darker skin colors than themselves...

Just remember that the next time someone starts eeking & ooking about the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Witch Trials.

dmmesdale · Dec 21, 2017

Ophiolite said:
Darwin was not responsible for self-righteous elitists misunderstanding the significance of his work and then using it to justify their unjustified elitism.

They misunderstood nothing. They understood it just fine. What you do not understand is ideas have consequences and bad ideas have bad consequences.

Nor was he responsible for your mirrored misinterpretation

There are no misinterpretations. The quotes were provided. I did not even bother to drag out the Negro and gorilla quote.

of both his findings and their misapplication in history.

Opinions are not facts. All we are seeing here is damage control. And that is why National Socialism was rationally applied Darwinism. Forced sterilization was rationally applied Darwinism. There is not one thing which prevents nonbelievers from changing their minds in the future. Progressives are indifferent to the for-profit selling of fetal body parts. Most could care less if abortion providers sell body parts so they can buy expensive cars.

TLK Valentine · Dec 21, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Just remember that the next time someone starts eeking & ooking about the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Witch Trials.

I will -- and I'll bet my blessings that if you searched my entire posting history, you'll never once hear me hold Jesus Christ -- directly or indirectly -- responsible for any of that. Care to take that bet, AV?

I only ever hold his "followers" to account -- since they stopped caring or even listening to anything He had to say a long time ago.

Too bad you can't do likewise for ol' Chuck.

Speedwell · Dec 21, 2017

TLK Valentine said:
I will -- and I'll bet my blessings that if you searched my entire posting history, you'll never once hear me hold Jesus Christ -- directly or indirectly -- responsible for any of that. Care to take that bet, AV?

I only ever hold his "followers" to account -- since they stopped caring or even listening to anything He had to say a long time ago.

Too bad you can't do likewise for ol' Chuck.

Ah, but Jesus Christ unquestionably set out to do good. These creationists appear to believe that ol' Chuck and his followers deliberately concocted the false theory of evolution in order to pursue their evil ends.

TLK Valentine · Dec 21, 2017

Speedwell said:
Ah, but Jesus Christ unquestionably set out to do good. These creationists appear to believe that ol' Chuck and his followers deliberately concocted the false theory of evolution in order to pursue their evil ends.

But of course. You could even omit the "false" part of that -- true and false have no meaning here; it's only about "good" vs. "evil."

Jesus Christ set out to do good; anyone who so much a gives Him lip service is likewise on the side of the proverbial angels.

ol' Chuck, o course, is not on the side of Jesus' followers, therefore he is not on the side of Christ, which makes him... what, again?

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