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Im looking for the definition, and examples, of legalism.

Legalism is studying theology for 16 years but not applying God's Word to your life....bashing people over the head with the Bible....using Bible verses to hurt people instead of using Bible verses to help heal people....

Legalism is listening to sermons, then turning to the person next to you and saying, "You heard that, right? That applies to you"

Legalists believe in and demand a strict literal adherence to rules and regulations. Doctrinally, it is a position essentially opposed to God's grace.

Christian believers are instructed to be gracious to one another: “Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters” (Romans 14:1).

Many legalistic believers today make the error of demanding unqualified adherence to their own biblical interpretations

 
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Thank you for the Re KAC.
 
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Thank you for the Re KAC.

My dear brother, you are very welcome

May our Lord Jesus be with you always

May God our Father bless you

 
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Im looking for the definition, and examples, of legalism.
Hello W2L.

I regard legalism as indicating that the law of Moses, or any part thereof, must be obeyed
for salvation. For example, please read the following verse.

Exodus 20
8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

This commandment is enforced by certain churches, they believe that any church that disobeys this commandment is an apostate church.

Legalism at it's core, is the belief that salvation is the result of human effort, combined with God's reconciliation. The teaching of the apostle Paul is strictly, salvation is a free gift granted by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ, apart from legal obedience. The precise point of difference, is that legalism places an emphasis on this legal obedience for salvation.
 
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Thank you.
 
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What role does tradition play in legalism?

Legalism is adhering to church traditions without actually living out what the church member says that he or she believes.

Legalism is faithfully attending church without actively showing the love of Jesus to the people around you.

Legalism is faithful adherence to church traditions and faithful adherence to Christian doctrines but missing the point of those church traditions and Christian doctrines - the point of church traditions and Christian doctrines is to actively translate those church traditions and Christian doctrines into action - the whole point of church traditions/Christian doctrines is to develop and maintain a close relationship with Jesus Christ.

Developing and maintaning a close relationship with Jesus Christ = fulfilling our daily mission to actively show the incredible love of Jesus to everyone around us in very tangible ways.

A "Christian believer" is a legalist when church traditions/Christian doctrines remain mere intellectual knowledge ("head knowledge").

Mere intellectual assent to Christian doctrines = dead faith

Mere intelllectual assent to Christian doctrines is completely and totally meaningless.

Christianity is not about religion or rote participation in church traditions.

Christianity = a close relationship with Jesus Christ....choosing daily to submit to Jesus Christ as Lord of one's life

 
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Im looking for the definition, and examples, of legalism.
As a liberal Christian I can proudly say I do not suffer from this atrocious sin. My sins are less severe such as not loving neighbour.
 
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Thank you. Are some traditions legalistic?
 
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Im looking for the definition, and examples, of legalism.

I do not think that it is legalism for someone to think that the laws of their country ought to be obeyed, so neither it is it legalism to think that God's Law ought to be obeyed. Jesus was sinless, so he lived in perfect obedience to God's Law, but I do not think he was legalistic, nor is it legalistic to say that we ought to follow his example of doing so. There are 1,050 laws in the NT, so legalism is not in regard to whether someone thinks one or many laws ought to be obeyed, but in regard to the manner in which they obey them. If someone thought that only one command should be obeyed, then they can still be legalistic about how they obey it. I think that legalism is when someone seeks to follow the letter of the law without regard to following the spirit of the law, or in other words, the intent behind the law. Everything in the Bible is there to teach us about God and how to have a relationship, and the intent behind God's commands is to teach us how to grow in a relationship with him based on faith and love, so legalism is when someone outwardly obeys the Law according to the letter without focusing on the intent of growing in a relationship with God based on faith and love. God has always disdained it when His people honored Him with their lips while their hearts were far from Him.
 
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Thank you. Are some traditions legalistic?

Church traditions and religious traditions become legalism when there is no action.

Church traditions and religious traditions become legalism when a person faithfully participates in church traditions/religious traditions without actively showing the love of Jesus to people.

Faithful participating in church traditions does not necessarily mean that church member has a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Faithfully attending church every Sunday does not automatically make one a follower of Jesus Christ.

Reading the Bible every day does not automatically make one a follower of Jesus Christ.

Some people who are active church members will be surprised to discover that they will be eternally separated from God.
 
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Thanks. I agree that Gods commands are good, and are meant to help us.
 
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You seem to be of the opinion that any tradition is OK, as long as you show the Love of God.
 
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You seem to be of the opinion that any tradition is OK, as long as you show the Love of God.

My dear brother, that assumption is incorrect.

A person cannot be a non-Christian and still receive "an automatic ticket to Heaven"

A person who is a faithful, loyal member of a "Christian" church that does not adhere to the Nicene Creed will be very very surprised when he or she is eternally separated from God

 
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It wasnt an assumption so much, but rather an observation that i needed clarity on. I don't get creeds. Why would you bring up the creed? Surely the whole bible is important and not just the parts that are in the creed. Right?
 
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I become angry when Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons claim to be Christians

Just because the official name of your religious organization is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE TRUE CHRISTIANS!!!
 
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It wasnt an assumption so much, but rather an observation that i needed clarity on. I don't get creeds. Why would you bring up the creed? Surely the whole bible is important and not just the parts that are in the creed. Right?

My dear brother, the Nicene Creed and the Apostle's Creed are very accurate summaries of the whole Bible.

That is the reason that I mentioned the Nicene Creed
 
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