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"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication , let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." (1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV)

I think that's speaking very strongly against it, and it defines it as something outside of marriage, and the site I got it from used the word porneia as the translation to fornication, where it did reference what you listed above, but while that is common interpetation, it in turn also includes premarital relations. So whether or not you'd want it to be so, I'd have to agree with the post on the second page where it was defined, that fornication DOES include premarital sex, and anything action of such is indeed a sin.
 
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My question would be "How come men are allowed and do and sometimes are expected to have sex before marriage, and women keep themselves pure for these impure men in marriage?" It doesn't add up to me. Personally, I'd want a man who knew something about sex and I would want to be able to contribute knowledgeably as well to the wedding bed.

So does this not before marriage apply to both men and women and if not, why not. And if men don't keep themselves pure and women keep themselves pure, then there's no real meaning to the whole thing. And if they are both pure, man there is gonna be a lot of gropin' and lot of not knowing what's goin' on and an unhappy pair.
 
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Personally? Yes, I do believe both should remain pure. And as far as pleasure in it goes, well, alot of sinful things bring us pleasure, doesn't mean they're anymore right to do.
 
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It is an act of the "Sinful" (NIV) or "Flesh" (NASB)
Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Immorality
[FONT=&quot]porneia[/FONT]
por-ni'-ah
harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.
[FONT=&quot]porneuō[/FONT]
porn-yoo'-o
to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: - commit (fornication).


Impurity
[FONT=&quot]akatharsia[/FONT]
ak-ath-ar-see'-ah
From G169; impurity (the quality), physically or morally: - uncleanness
 
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Ummm... nice pasting there mac. Is there something you're trying to say? ...because I gotta tell ya, that's about as clear as mud.
 
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Ummm... nice pasting there mac. Is there something you're trying to say? ...because I gotta tell ya, that's about as clear as mud.

By defining immorality from that passage he was attempting to help make it clear. This is all sexual immorality and looking at it in context we can see it is sin.


Since idolotry is also in the list it would tell us that they are seperate issues. Everything on that list is sin.
 
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It is also sexually immoral for women to be half naked shaking their parts at men to excite them and then pull away.

There are so many sexually immoral things going on in the world today, they are too numerous to list.

The immoral in question is fornication. I suggest the other sexual immorals be put in another thread.
 
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"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication , let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." (1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV)
 
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To have sex OUTSIDE of marriage.
 
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