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Yeah, I'd say everyone has it. Fornication, free sex outside of wedlock. Or, casual sex if that is easier to picture. Sex is meant for mariage and is thus meant to be saved until marriage. Anyone who has sex outside of marriage is guilty of fornication. The Bible is also quite specific that fornicators do not inherit the kingdom of God. I didn't know about the idols thing but I would say it is a safe bet to agree with it.
 
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Thanks for posting this as I will be able to refer to it as I go. There is a lot of useful info here but this is only the Greek and we really need to also look at the Hebrew in the OT as well.

Strong's is such a great reference if you know how to use it but the error of this 'doctrine of men' regarding this word is so deep it's even found in the very best bible reference we have.

Anyway, hang in there and I will give a more complete explanation as I go. (and be sure to read all of my posts, in fact do a post search on my name and go all the way back and you will find some clues as to where I'm going with this)

Bless Ya!
 
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i would like to know why the question was asked in the first place when the meaning of the word could be looked up in any dictionary. just asking...
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Reasonable question... "Why?"

I believe God loves us and gave us His word as a 'user's manual' for life and if we follow His instructions we will be blessed, but God's enemy likes to twist words around so that we don't receive the blessings we could have. Examples of this can be found in the account of Satan's encounter with Eve: God - "Thou shalt surely die"; Satan - "Ye shall not surely die". Another one is when the devil tempted Jesus in the desert when he took written scripture and tried to deceive the Lord Himself. This scripture twisting went on all the time and, as Jesus admonished so many times it is by following the traditions and doctrines of men (substituted for the word of God) that the word of God becomes 'of none effect'.

If you look back at my original post you'll see where I quoted
Isaiah 5:20:
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!". I did so because this verse speaks of exactly what I see going on all starting with the true definition of this word and what it really means as opposed to the falsehood most, if not all believers live by. That's why.
 
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Wow, what a great post! Thank you for taking the time to give us your perspective. I hope everyone who attends to this thread reads it very carefully. You have truly blessed us!
 
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Ok, here's the Hebrew too!

8457 taznuwth taz-nooth' or taznuth {taz-nooth'}; from 2181; harlotry, i.e. (figuratively) idolatry:--fornication, whoredom.
1) fornication, harlotry

2181 zanah zaw-naw' a primitive root (highly-fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple fornication, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively, to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah):--(cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) harlot, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

1) to commit fornication, be a harlot, play the harlot
a) (Qal)
1) to be a harlot, act as a harlot, commit fornication
2) to commit adultery
3) to be a cult prostitute
4) to be unfaithful (to God) (fig.)
b) (Pual) to play the harlot
c) (Hiphil)
1) to cause to commit adultery
2) to force into prostitution 3) to commit fornication



2183 zanuwn zaw-noon' from 2181; adultery; figuratively, idolatry:--whoredom
1) adultery, fornication, prostitution


2184 znuwth zen-ooth' from 2181; adultery, i.e. (figuratively) infidelity, idolatry:--whoredom.
1) fornication, harlotry

2185 zonowth zo-noth' applied to military equipments; but evidently the feminine plural active participle of 2181; harlots:--armour.

1) fornications a) armour (used in warfare not sanctioned by Jehovah) (fig.)
 
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Thanks! Of course this is where I started years ago in researching this subject. Is this copy-paste from a program you have or online? Other worthwhile word-studies would include all variations of virgin, seduce, prostitute, orgy and others. To tell the truth it is remarkable just how large a topic sex is in the bible and ironically, as much help as references like this one are, they also need to be taken with a grain of salt sometimes... in this case the supposed 'figurative' nature of Israel's 'harlotry'. I don't care if it is in the most 'authoritative' references, it's just a lot of hot air. The 'whoring after other gods' of Israel was literal!!!
 
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Wow, that was excellent. I saved that for future reference!

Thanks taking the time to share that msbojingles and lilymarie. God bless!
 
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(1Corinthians 6:18-19-20) Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
(1Co 6:19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(1Co 6:20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


(Heb 13:4) Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

But in simple English... May include but not limited to.....

ANY SEXUAL ACT, OR ACTIONS, OR ANY MEETING OF MAN AND WOMAN, IN THE WAY ONLY PROVIDED BY GOD FOR THE MARRIAGE BED, [Hebrews 13:4] IS FORNICATION.

IT CAN INCLUDE, THE DEFILEMENT BY LANGUAGE, ACTIONS, VISUAL OR AUDITORY TRAPPINGS AND THE SAID LIKE!

(Matthew 5:28) But I [JESUS] say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman [man] to lust after her [him] hath committed adultery with her [him] already in his [her] heart.

This can be inclued in FORNICATION, for GOD looks at the Heart!

Thanks, Roger459


 
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Yes, I understand that the "whoring after other gods" was literal. Obviously, that was just a short list of some of the words used, and not all of them say "figuratively."

But at least people can look at the list of words and see it for themselves, instead of looking up the word "fornication" in websters or what-have-you, and finding a meaning other than what is in the bible. Yes, everything must be taken in context, but most people here are not Hebrew or Greek majors.

taznusth (only used once) and zanah from which it comes are actually the only words literally translated "fornication" in the OT hebrew, the others are words also derived from zanah. And it (taznusth) does not say "figuratively" so that is a bit irrelevant there. It literally means harlotry, whoredom, fornication.


And we do have to look at the New testament writings concerning fornication. Because the words used in the NT sometimes had a much broader meaning than just "harlotry, whoredom, idolatry" and the writers could have used other words if they intended to say something different - and in many cases they did!

If we want to get all technical, every sin we can ever commit is an act of idolatry - because it always elevates somthing before God - and therefore is also harlotry, because we break our covenant with the Lord, and literally have "relations" with the world, because according to scripture we are married to Jesus - not even just engaged, but married.
 
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with double whipped cream on top (as another poster would say..lol)
 
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I know this isn't a response to your question but are you advocating sex outside of marriage?

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I would like to add, without quoting scripture, which I prefer to rely on, the thought of sinning against your own body. We have seen disease, broken relatioships, insecurity, child abuse and more just due to sexual immorality. God knew this would happen, He knew the pain it would cause. Is this not enough to make us understand His precepts?
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but what is your point!
the meaning of a word can change but what does God say? i like men and i like sex but i want to please God.
so...for me it is a no-brainer as you say in america.

An honest question deserves an honest answer. My point is this and this is what God says: Fornication is not sex outside of marriage. Fornication is the general term referring to specific sexual acts listed in Leviticus 18, primarily incest, adultery, homosexuality and bestiality which were performed ceremonialy in the worship of idols.

Since sex before/outside marriage (meaning sex among singles) is not among the sexual acts God forbids it is not wrong, plain and simple. I know many will go off the handle about this, nevertheless, that's what the bible says and doesn't say. The belief that God forbids sex between single people may be widely held but it is not biblical. I don't know the answers to all the questions but there is no verse where God clearly forbids sex outside of marriage as He clearly forbids these others in Lev 18. For people to be going around trying to live their lives by what they think God said when He never said it is wrong and hurtful. I hope that makes it clear.
 
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I know this isn't a response to your question but are you advocating sex outside of marriage?

Bama

Since "marraige" was not mentioned in that post , how could they be advocating *anything* concerning marraige ?

Also , what if they would advocate it in another post ?
 
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Sex before marriage is not right before God first because it was designed for marriage and using it outside of marriage is perverting God's beautiful design, secondly because even from a worldly perspective, its not worth it. God designed it to create a bond. The bond is very very hard to break and causes emotional baggage to be carried along to the next person. Thats not even considering the physical aspect such as an unplanned pregnancy, stds, etc. Paul tells the young virgins to not give in to their passions in a couple different letters. Let us have self control for we are not our own.
 
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Good post .
 
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