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What is "Age of accountibility"

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ZiSunka

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Lockheed said:
I usually love John MacArthur, but because of emotions, he missed this one by a long shot. Through one transgression all are condemned. Everyone, including infants, need a Savior.

Why do you assume that if someone disagrees with you that THEY are the one that is wrong? Why do you accuse MacArthur of being too emotional to be correct?
 
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13 Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven." 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there. Matthew 19:13-15
 
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lambslove said:
Why do you assume that if someone disagrees with you that THEY are the one that is wrong?

I don't, usually... however when one clearly denies what Scripture states, what am I supposed to do? Give 'em a hug and say "I'm ok, you're ok"? Let's all go to herchurch.org and have one big happy party.
Why do you accuse MacArthur of being too emotional to be correct?

Cause in this case he seems to ignore the witness of Scripture to appease the emotional needs of unbelieving parents. Rather than accept and believe that people are saved only by faith in Christ he unwittingly allows exceptions.
 
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Yah, but kids still have to come to Christ. Many paedobaptists use this verse to claim that since Christ loves kids (and no one says otherwise) that kids should be included in the sign of the covenant...

So I don't think this verse proves their point, MacArthur's, or anyone's except for two things: 1. Christ (and therefore God) love children. 2. "Such is the kingdom of heaven", one must become 'like a child' to be saved, that is they must trust their Father explicitly.

Trying to stuff more into that verse than those concepts, I think, would be improper. Now, that isn't to say one couldn't build on this verse to present a more united appeal one way or the other.
 
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This is, I believe, the proper response.
 
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lambslove said:
"for of such is the kingdom of heaven"

So to you Lockheed, this means that one has to be like a child to get into heaven and it says nothing at all about actual children?

That's not what I said. My other posts express that, as a Baptist, I firmly believe God saves whom He wills by His power and grace.

Yet this very verse is used by paedobaptists to claim that infants are included in the New Covenant and therefore should be baptized... surely you're not in agreement with them.

What this verse DOESN'T say is: "all children are saved" or "no children are saved" or "the children of believers are saved"

It says, simply "such is the kingdom of heaven."
 
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lambslove said:
What you believe, based on a limited amount of scripture that you take out of context to mean what you have already decided it should mean?


I ask you to provide evidence to back up your claim or apologize, both to myself and Dmckay vbmenu_register("postmenu_14452518", true); whose view I was in agreement with.
 
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Good Day, Dmckay

I am quickly comming to this view my self as the op has gone unanswered for the most part.

Peace to u,

Bill
 
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