What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

squint · Dec 28, 2013

from scratch said:
Who gave you permission to speak for me? I've never sought to justify any sin, personal or otherwise.

The law RIGHTFULLY reveals, judges and condemns ALL SIN in any in whom it is found. No 'grace' people are going to have their sins JUSTIFIED under Grace.

That ain't gonna happen. Sorry to burst yer bubble.

I uphold the LAW and expect SIN to become utterly SINFUL. That is the Divine Intention for LAW in preparation for FINAL JUDGMENT and eradication.

The law is not meant to 'save the world' but to condemn the workers of iniquity, rightfully so.

s

from scratch · Dec 28, 2013

squint said:
The law RIGHTFULLY reveals, judges and condemns ALL SIN in any in whom it is found. No 'grace' people are going to have their sins JUSTIFIED under Grace.

That ain't gonna happen. Sorry to burst yer bubble.

I uphold the LAW and expect SIN to become utterly SINFUL. That is the Divine Intention for LAW in preparation for FINAL JUDGMENT and eradication.

The law is not meant to 'save the world' but to condemn the workers of iniquity, rightfully so.

s

This covers it extremely well -

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

from scratch said:
This covers it extremely well -

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

The few of you guys who are on the grace side of the ledgers do have a lot of the basics quite well downpat. I sat in those same shoes for many years.

But eventually you discover the flaws in your positions and they have to be re-examined. For me that subject was law and grace. I found that it was not RIGHT to toss away or eliminate Gods Word.

The law is meant to DIVIDE us from our sin. The instrument that is used is rightful condemnation, NOT trying to justify our factual sin under Grace or claiming it 'legally obedient.'

Therefore I take the condemnation of the law for medicinal purposes, understanding it is a fatal dose.

s

Wordkeeper · Dec 28, 2013

Actually, squint is right, Scripture supports the view, as can be shown, in a few steps.

First, Paul, the person does not commit the sin. It is the Devil IN him doing it:

Romans 7
5 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

genez said:
I am not arguing with that. For, when we sin our actions are representative of the actions of the devil. We are either resembling the Lord in our actions, or the devil.

But, you have presented it to mean that when a believer sins? That the devil is possessing the believer in that sin, and is sharing in the experience with that sin simultaneously with the believer who is committing that sin. That equates to being momentary demon possessed.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; -

It does not say...

He that committeth sin is sinning with the devil.

That's how you altered the Word of God. Its a distortion of what it means.

A better translation would read more like...

When anyone (a believer in view) commits/does a sin . . .
he has become an agent of the devil/accuser/slanderer
because the devil has sinned from the beginning.

When you take on the actions of a certain person with power. You become an agent of that person.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

Wordkeeper said:
Actually, squint is right, Scripture supports the view, as can be shown, I'm a few steps.

First, Paul, the person does not commit the sin. It is the Devil IN him doing it:

Bravo for seeing the obvious!

When 'we' understand that the LAW is rightfully against THE DEVIL we will instantly STOP trying to make that bad actor OBEY under the LAW and will condemn that working BY THE LAW and BY GRACE and walk apart from sin and it's works.

Is the Law against the lawless one? Yes!
Is the Law against evil? Yes!

And so am I thusly.

The Law in this way is my ALLY in condemnation to that working.

It's pleasant and GODLY to engage some who DO SEE.

We know who we are for and who we are against and it is NOT each others.

s

GenemZ · Dec 28, 2013

squint said:
I can read as well as the next guy genez. No pets in my book.

Stop dodging.... here is the part of my post that I KNEW you would try to evade. Which you did. Which was sin when you did. Just like a politician who refuses to answer a question with honesty and changes the subject.

Here you go sinner. Now, answer the question. Can you? Or, is the honesty it requires to answer, too painful for you?

squint said:
There is no double standard employed by God in Christ with regards to sin. It's all demonic from thought to word to deed and starts with internal temptation of the tempter. If one has no perception or 'division' within them they will only think it's their own mind. It's not.

When Satan is locked up for a thousand years during the Millennium?... What will be the cause of men's sins at that time?

Men will still sin during the Millennium. That is why the Lord must rule with an iron scepter.

One more time, for the deer caught in the headlights...

When Satan is locked up for a thousand years during the Millennium?... What will be the cause of men's sins at that time?

squint · Dec 28, 2013

genez said:
When Satan is locked up for a thousand years during the Millennium?... What will be the cause of men's sins at that time?

I don't suffer from that particular 'end times' view.

Sorry!

GenemZ · Dec 28, 2013

squint said:
I don't suffer from that particular 'end times' view.

Sorry!

OK Squint..

Its apparent. You can not handle the TRUTH, The LIFE, and The WAY.

But, He sure can handle you.

Godisgood12 · Dec 28, 2013

The conviction in a believer in God, by God, guides that believer in God to avoid such things that may harm them and others.

Eliminates reprobate.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

genez said:
OK Squint..

Its apparent. You can not handle the TRUTH, The LIFE, and The WAY.

But, He sure can handle you.

Why? Because I don't hold to that form of end times view?

You seem to have been around the block long enough by now to know that there are NUMEROUS end times views.

And obviously 'few' agree on much of anything in that arena. You have simply bought into a certain construct which I am equally certain could be dismantled in very short order.

s

Godisgood12 · Dec 28, 2013

It is all about loving God and others brothers and sisters.

The OT, NT agree. Being led by the Spirit of God is good. Men could not please God, so God spoke mercy to the cross and sent the Holy Spirit to guide His beloved directly into His loving arms.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
It is all about loving God and others brothers and sisters.

The OT, NT agree. Being led by the Spirit of God is good. Men could not please God so God spoke mercy to the cross and sent the Holy Spirit to guide directly into the loving arms of our Creator.

For purposes of this topic, God loves us and is equally against the factual sin we all have, which is of the devil.

This is a fairly simple observation, but it is an observation that escapes those who think they are sinless or that their sin is not of the devil.

God in this is both Ally and Foe to each of us.

s

Elder 111 · Dec 28, 2013

VictorC said:
This is the exact area where you fall on your face in failure repeatedly. You haven't found one instance of God requesting, asking, or commanding us (either Gentiles or God's adopted children) to keep the sabbath. When you continue to contradict the Law with this pathological obsession, the quote from Isaiah 8:20 identifies this pattern as darkness we should dismiss. And we do, in obedience to Scripture.

Your comments have shown that you won't acknowledge the ownership rights Jesus has over the sabbath as 'Lord of the sabbath', where Hebrews 10:9 testifies "He takes away the first that He may establish the second" denoting His taking away the first covenant that contained the sabbath.

We also went through an entire thread you created (Why not Jesus?) where you showed that you simply can't tell the difference between God's rest and the sabbath Jesus differentiated apart when He said it was "made for man". Repeating your unsupported fairy tale about God requesting us to revert to the sabbath amounts to leaving His rest that we have entered into by faith. Even if you can't comprehend this distinction Jesus made -and you quoted His statement from Mark 2:27- others can, and your own perception is the reason your posts are met with uniform rejection:

Thank God for scripture.
20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Godisgood12 · Dec 28, 2013

squint said:
For purposes of this topic, God loves us and is equally against the factual sin we all have, which is of the devil.

This is a fairly simple observation, but it is an observation that escapes those who think they are sinless or that their sin is not of the devil.

God in this is both Ally and Foe to each of us.

s

Showing humans how to be in a relationship with God by the 10 commandments is good. Humans incappable of doing them, shows a need for God. God provides a way, Himself.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
Showing humans how to be in a relationship with God by the 10 commandments is good. Humans incappable of doing them, shows a need for God. God provides a way, Himself.

God is not the ally of evil and sin.

Unfortunately those are matters that we are given to contend with.

GenemZ · Dec 28, 2013

squint said:
Why? Because I don't hold to that form of end times view?

You seem to have been around the block long enough by now to know that there are NUMEROUS end times views.

And obviously 'few' agree on much of anything in that arena. You have simply bought into a certain construct which I am equally certain could be dismantled in very short order.

s

I can now understand why you believe what you do. Because when you sin? It is the devil working internally in your case.

That has been the problem. You think its applicable for all believers. You have a unique problem... not us.

Your concept of Satan taking you over from the inside is not normal, nor sound doctrine. It says when we sin we are of the the devil. That means we are acting like the devil when we sin. It does not say that when we are sinning, that we are sinning WITH the devil as you claim.

You are confused. And, because of your acceptance of false doctrine, are a de-edifying soul to communicate with. I was warned about you. Its not like you are some unfortunate misunderstood soul. You are doing the work of the devil by promoting your false doctrine.

Do the math here:

1 Corinthians 3:11-15

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood,
hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall
declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every
man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built
thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself
shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

You're going to have a barn fire. But, you'll remain saved from the Lake of Fire. All false doctrine produces wood, hay, and stubble.

But, you could always repent and not lose your rewards. But, that would take having to deal with those demons you have become accustomed to heeding when they advise you about what constitutes sin.

James 1:14

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

There is no sharing in the experience of the sin with the devil when you sin. Its your own lust. Your own sin nature which resides in your fallen flesh. But, a believer who sins will share in representing his image when he sins. He will be "of" the devil. Not, "sharing his experience of sin with the devil" in his sin. To think otherwise, is evil. After all, the presence of the devil is not omnipresence. You elevate the devil to the level of God in what you falsely claim. The devil can not share in every believer's sin. Impossible. He would have to also be omniscient to know to be there for the sin. As if believers only sin one-at-a-time, in rarely. You have been duped because you do not know how to do the math. Satan is not God. But, your claim makes Satan to be as powerful as God.

Matthew 4:1

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Did the devil get inside Jesus when he tempted him? Was the temptation internal? How could it be? Awaiting your inability to answer - evasion.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

genez said:
I can now understand why you believe what you do. Because when you sin? It is the devil working internally in your case.

I can read genez. You are welcome to declare that your sin is not of the devil like everyone else's.

zzzzz

Godisgood12 · Dec 28, 2013

squint said:
God is not the ally of evil and sin.

Unfortunately those are matters that we are given to contend with.

The 10 commandments are still good today.

squint · Dec 28, 2013

Godisgood12 said:
The 10 commandments are still good today.

I totally agree. And whether we did or not the Word of God abides forever.

Godisgood12 · Dec 28, 2013

Where wickedness isn't, only goodness is.

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