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I don't get my theology from mockery videos, and neither should you.The good news is there is plenty of mockery in the Bible. You know, the approved mockery that you could enjoy because it mocks other religious views.
For examples of mockery, check out what Elijah said about Baal in 1 Kings 18, or what Paul said about those who want to circumcise and follow the Law of Moses (Gal. 5:12).
Mockery is good, as long as Christians are doing the mocking. Can I get an Amen to that?
The good news is there is plenty of mockery in the Bible. You know, the approved mockery that you could enjoy because it mocks other religious views.
For examples of mockery, check out what Elijah said about Baal in 1 Kings 18, or what Paul said about those who want to circumcise and follow the Law of Moses (Gal. 5:12).
Mockery is good, as long as Christians are doing the mocking. Can I get an Amen to that?
Well, as it was he healed (relatively speaking) very few people.
Also, I would have created a moral system, where a woman could have divorced for abuse, and not have to wait until her abuser commits adultery.
I don't get my theology from mockery videos, and neither should you.
I challenge that information is being provided.Information is information... If the provided information is sound, it can come from an 8th grader, or a double major graduate professor.
In regards to mockery, it sometimes can serve some purpose... Sometimes a little healthy mockery can serve to get the opponent to really think about certain aspects of their beliefs. The mockery should only hurt the opponent, if what the mocker is mocking insults the actual person themselves, and not what the offended person believes (i.e) Bible verses, or any other written claims of divinity - not written by the believer.
Case and point, I doubt a biology professor gets offended when an Evangelical mocks written aspects of 'macroevolution'.
The question is, does the mocking of such verses provide sound reasoning? If so, refute the argument; don't cry, "I'm offended." If the writer exists (i.e.) God/other, they will take care of the mocker themselves
Remember, the Bible is there for anyone to read.
The Matthew 18 method of dealing with offenses between Christians is intended to be operational for a married couple as it would be for offenses between any two Christians.
Hey, it's not just women who are abused by men. IIRC, something like from 1 in 7, to 1 in 10 men are physically abused by their wives or women partners. (Not to mention abuse within same sex relationships. Though traditionally religious believers wouldn't consider those as valid marriages.) So a maybe all of us could be federal employees. Which might actually happen. I can imagine that in another century or two, everyone will be working for the government.
Edited to add: Not to go off-topic. But as I think about it, a time when everyone is a government employee may be what eschatologically minded Christians think of as the Tribulation.
Mockery -- "teasing and contemptuous language or behavior directed at a particular person or thing."
That's a good point. How could we help someone that doesn't even realize they are mocking others unless they get reported, and learn from the experience? Out of many thousands of posts I've read here, I've only reported I think less than 10. But my reluctance to report clear violations may not have been the best practice. Perhaps we should begin to report more.I challenge that information is being provided.
FYI. Mockery isn't allowed here, however useful or important to your repertoire you may think it is.
Yep, and I think the limited SOP has unfortunately become an umbrella under which poor intentions have come to roost, and fighting for fighting sake. It is turning into a shield for rhetoric, incorrigibility, and extreme insincerity when debate is supposed to be about coming together for the truth.That's a good point. How could we help someone that doesn't even realize they are mocking others unless they get reported, and learn from the experience? Out of many thousands of posts I've read here, I've only reported I think less than 10. But my reluctance to report clear violations may not have been the best practice. Perhaps we should begin to report more.
1 Kings 18:27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.
What did Elijah mean by 'busy'?
1 Kings
....However, Elijah refused to acknowledge that Baal was a god at all. He suggested that Baal might be "occupied" (v. 27; lit. relieving himself)...
And in Galatians, Paul suggests that whoever wants to be circumcised should castrate themselves. Is that not a mockery?
And in Galatians, Paul suggests that whoever wants to be circumcised should castrate themselves. Is that not a mockery?
FYI. Mockery isn't allowed here, however useful or important to your repertoire you may think it is.
No, mockery just makes people defensive. Mocking a belief just implies that the person is stupid for believing it. So yeah, it's always directed at the person even if you don't come right out and say it.FYI, I'm aware of the guidelines. My (point) is mockery can be used as an effective tool, as long as you refrain from ad hominems. The fact that it is discouraged from being used here, is the decision of the forum providers, and their rules. If I should choose to speak about certain topics, not allowed here, I go elsewhere.
I disagree. How do you treat a husband or a wife as a tax collector without divorcing them? Jesus explicitly said to not divorce (except for adultery), but the church was given an option to excommunicate people for various reasons.
No, mockery just makes people defensive.
Mocking a belief just implies that the person is stupid for believing it. So yeah, it's always directed at the person even if you don't come right out and say it.
Don't get me wrong, I mock people all the time. It's a lot of fun. I just refrain when I'm actually trying to be persuasive. I watched your little video, I found it funny, and I generally agree with a lot of it. But the idea that such a thing is going to change anyone's mind is retarded.
... They may never admit it externally, but they will then know there is/are positions out there, in which they choose to steer clear of, to self-protect their most cherished beliefs. In such cases, may then demonstrate intellectual dishonesty?.?.?
The whole problem with trying to guess at what is in other people's minds/motives/etc. is one ends up only 'projecting' -- you project onto them, see them doing (in your guess at what they are doing) what is actually your own action you don't admit to yourself.
It's when one doesn't admit to a wrong that they see it so much in others.
The mind senses that thing is happening -- e.g. 'intellectual dishonesty' for instance -- but since the mind denies one's own self is the one doing it, it gets projected onto others. That way the feeling it is happening is respected, while maintaining the self-illusion.
A good hint about this error is that one would have to be omniscient to know so well the exact situation in the minds of others -- and none of us can be. We are not telepathic, not that omniscient. We can't know others that perfectly.
As Someone wiser than all of us said:
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
Though your post was to someone else, I thought that one topic might be helpful to address. It's not good to address too many points at once. (often not even more than 2 at most)I find it interesting that you chose to quote a very specific portion of my response, but do not appear to address what it says?
In my personal case here, I found contradictions in Christianity, and therefore, logically, and being intellectually honest with myself, was forced to abandon my prior faith/belief. Sure, it may claim some agreeable, or 'good' stuff, but I would need to also ignore the things in which I do not agree with. And to do that, I would be placed into a precarious position... How do I square these 'discrepancies'?
Does this mean I'm correct? Not necessarily. However, to my best abilities currently, Christianity make claims in which I can no longer reconcile intellectually. That's all... And personal belief is individual.
Though your post was to someone else, I thought that one topic might be helpful to address. It's not good to address too many points at once. (often not even more than 2 at most)
What would you like me to address specifically?
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