What do you think of profanity in CCM?

CrazyFool · Feb 4, 2007

That's like saying that God looks at your heart, not your actions. Our actions and our words should reflect what's in our heart & mind. It's in the Bible, I just quoted from Matthew 7 yesterday, vs. 20
"Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Your fruit being your words and your actions. I can guarantee you that at least 80% of church leaders in the U.S. would agree that curse words would qualify as 'bad fruit'.

I can understand slipping up every now and then if you had it as a bad habit before you became a believer, or if you're around it all the time, but saying it's not wrong is going a bit far.

Macewindu77815 · Feb 4, 2007

CrazyFool said:
That's like saying that God looks at your heart, not your actions. Our actions and our words should reflect what's in our heart & mind. It's in the Bible, I just quoted from Matthew 7 yesterday, vs. 20
"Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Your fruit being your words and your actions. I can guarantee you that at least 80% of church leaders in the U.S. would agree that curse words would qualify as 'bad fruit'.

I can understand slipping up every now and then if you had it as a bad habit before you became a believer, or if you're around it all the time, but saying it's not wrong is going a bit far.

Just because church leaders qualify "curse words" as bad fruit, doesn't mean Jesus does. I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its a grey area, just like music and movies. I personally feel about it like moreinsorrow, it should not be used as an example of bad fruit or as a terrible thing. However, if it causes anyone to stumble and is used outside of its context then certainly it is wrong.

MoreInSorrow · Feb 5, 2007

Macewindu77815 said:
Just because church leaders qualify "curse words" as bad fruit, doesn't mean Jesus does. I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its a grey area, just like music and movies. I personally feel about it like moreinsorrow, it should not be used as an example of bad fruit or as a terrible thing. However, if it causes anyone to stumble and is used outside of its context then certainly it is wrong.

EX-ACTLY.

And I may be off about the cursing thing in the Bible, I'll have to check. I may have been thinking of something else when I typed that. Nonetheless, my position stands. Most verses that are pulled out of the Bible about 'cussing' are quoted WAY out of context, and have more to do with slandering and gossiping, et al, than they do with cuss words, especially if we're going to get specific about 'what' words are and aren't cussing.

ListenerFriendly · Feb 5, 2007

And if you read prior posts, no one here is saying that its ok to walk around dropping f-bombs and cussing every other word. But it's also not wrong to do so every once in a while, especially when emphasizing a point, as is the case in many of the songs we're referring to (ie-Pedro the Lion, U2, etc).

Amen, amen, and amen... I don't curse, but you said it..

Just because church leaders qualify "curse words" as bad fruit, doesn't mean Jesus does. I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its a grey area, just like music and movies. I personally feel about it like moreinsorrow, it should not be used as an example of bad fruit or as a terrible thing. However, if it causes anyone to stumble and is used outside of its context then certainly it is wrong.

Very true, the same thing I said...

CrazyFool · Feb 5, 2007

Oi.... I won't attempt to change your beliefs. I just thought I could show you something....guess not. Oh well....

MoreInSorrow · Feb 5, 2007

CrazyFool said:
Oi.... I won't attempt to change your beliefs. I just thought I could show you something....guess not. Oh well....

Well, that's the spirit.

fifi · Feb 6, 2007

ListenerFriendly said:
What's with it? I mean should "Christian" music really contain cursing? I don't know... I am not trying to point fingers. CCM is basicly what I listen to. I am not trying to say that christians don't ever curse, not that they should in my opinion, but I don't think CCM should contain profane cursing like S.O.B. or other anoying words. It really isn't that big of a problem now since most of it is found with indie artists trying to attract attention, but who knows if it will grwo into other areas of the industry? I don't take them all that serious when they sing about Jesus then go and curse. I am not trying to say they aren;t Christian, Bono is one man I look up to and he annoyingly curses, but when it is labeled Christain music, I don't know. Like the band Lost Dogs (alot of you probably don't even consider them a christian band), they were under BEC records and are now basicly indie, but their current release contains cursing and other light profanit like S.O.B and other stuff, I don't know. just wondered what you guys thought!

TOTALLY

ROCK ON!

what artist does this i need to know .

MoreInSorrow · Feb 6, 2007

read the whole thread, you'll see examples. of course, that's aside from the artist examples that are IN THE POST YOU QUOTED.

fifi · Feb 7, 2007

MoreInSorrow said:
read the whole thread, you'll see examples. of course, that's aside from the artist examples that are IN THE POST YOU QUOTED.

but these people are not even saved bono is not i dont even think he has said so i know we see him on some christian music stations and thats sad because its missleading people and thats wat the devil is doing thats his job its to confuse men.

Macewindu77815 · Feb 7, 2007

fifi said:
but these people are not even saved bono is not i dont even think he has said so i know we see him on some christian music stations and thats sad because its missleading people and thats wat the devil is doing thats his job its to confuse men.

Umm, Bono is a Christian. He may not fit into the steroypical view of a Christian but he has said in many interviews that he believes in God and Jesus. The Devil is not miselading people through Bono, because I know for a fact U2's music has strengthed my Christian walk, and probably numerous others on these boards. And please use punctuation, I could hardly understand what you typed.

JAS4Yeshua · Feb 7, 2007

As far as I know, Bono is a Christian, and U2 started out as a Christian band (before "Rattle and Hum"). Only God knows the heart, though, so we shouldn't judge any further.

MoreInSorrow · Feb 7, 2007

agreed. A Conversation with Bono gives HUGE insight to where he stands with his relationship with the Lord. It's not cookie-cutter, typical Sunday morning Christianity, but he is saved (in fact, all 4 members of U2 are now professing Christians).

Honestly though, I think the typical, cookie-cutter Sunday morning version of Christianity is more damaging and misleading that the kind we see in people like Dave Bazan, Moby, Bono, Common, and countless others.

ListenerFriendly · Feb 7, 2007

Honestly though, I think the typical, cookie-cutter Sunday morning version of Christianity is more damaging and misleading that the kind we see in people like Dave Bazan, Moby, Bono, Common, and countless others.

Very true, in fact I appreciate U2 for their sheer honesty in what they do. The Church has never warmed up to them too much, but that seems wrong to me since U2 seems to be doing the things the way Jesus intended the Church too. I am not saying I think we should all be Bono, no he has made his mistakes we all do... we're human, we cannot be perfect. But they do seem to have something that the Church is missing.

Also, I will note in a polite way, we should be a little more careful in just straight out saying someone isn't Christian without some sort of reason. I actually believe that is against the CF rules. And even then[with a reason], God judges the heart, we cannot. I find it artificial just soming out and saying "I'm saved." I just don't quite see that as "real" faith. Our actions are supposed to testify to that, not just our words. And with what Bono has been doing lately, I see him living out the gospel a little more than a lot of us do...

Anway, maybe we should steer conversation back to topic.

ROCK ON

xMandariin · Feb 8, 2007

I haven't noticed any, so I can't say...

fifi · Feb 8, 2007

Macewindu77815 said:
Umm, Bono is a Christian. He may not fit into the steroypical view of a Christian but he has said in many interviews that he believes in God and Jesus. The Devil is not miselading people through Bono, because I know for a fact U2's music has strengthed my Christian walk, and probably numerous others on these boards. And please use punctuation, I could hardly understand what you typed.

so you are saying if someone says that they belive in God that they are saved. then that would be over the half of the world. because if you look at tv you can see that many people and stars say that they are saved but does their life fit what the word says not really. does Bonos know it does not he might do alot of good works that may look to be Godly, but like someone said in one of thier post that he uses cuss words in his songs so that does not sound like he is living for God to me. but we all have are own mind but i choose to have the mind of christ.

MoreInSorrow · Feb 8, 2007

fifi said:
so you are saying if someone says that they belive in God that they are saved. then that would be over the half of the world. because if you look at tv you can see that many people and stars say that they are saved but does their life fit what the word says not really. does Bonos know it does not he might do alot of good works that may look to be Godly, but like someone said in one of thier post that he uses cuss words in his songs so that does not sound like he is living for God to me. but we all have are own mind but i choose to have the mind of christ.

which makes you sooooo much more righteous than Bono.

Bono has said he is a Christian. He has said he believes in God. He's done a WHOLE lot more to propogate spreading the Gospel by helping the downtrodden, destitute, and poor than you or I......

so who's the one that REALLY has the 'mind of Christ'?

a) the one who points fingers at others, calling them nonchristians because that person says a 'word' they don't like, OR

b) the one who follows Jesus' commandment to love his neighbor as himself?

*rhetorical question....you don't have to answer*

JAS4Yeshua · Feb 8, 2007

Works do not make a person Christian or non-Christian. Works includes actions as well as words used. A person can love their neighbor and still not be Christian. The bottom line of Christianity is the relationship with Christ, being Born Again. We don't have the whole story of Bono, only what we hear through others. Does anyone here REALLY have any first-hand knowledge of him? If so, let that person speak. The remainder should just let it be. If Bono says he's a Christian, leave that between him and God, because God is the judge, not us. Personally, from what I know of his actions, I believe him to be a Christian. I may not agree with everything he does or doesn't do, but that doesn't make him less of a Christian.

MoreInSorrow · Feb 8, 2007

JAS4Yeshua said:
Does anyone here REALLY have any first-hand knowledge of him? If so, let that person speak. The remainder should just let it be.

not being smart here, but yes. I've read his book "A Conversation w/ Bono" which, while it was written by another person, it is a series of interviews the writer held with Bono, in person, before writing the book. It is autobiographical in nature, and he talks at length, and candidly, about his faith. Bono is one of the few (since we've been using him as an example) who has been this transparent about his faith in a public forum, but I agree with you that regarding others who may come up, leaving it between that person and God, and killing any kind of speculation, is completely necessary.

ListenerFriendly · Feb 8, 2007

these people are not even saved bono is not i dont even think he has said so

Okay, you won't believe he is a Christian unless he admits he is saved...

Several guys supply evidence that he has said that on several occasions which you said was important, and more importantly, we also gave a little insight into him as a person...

so you are saying if someone says that they belive in God that they are saved.

Well, I don't remember anyone saying that, you're the only one who actually brought that up... a little contradicting.

Anyway, don't take this eriously, I just thought I'd bring a point up ina friendly way .

ROCK ON

Macewindu77815 · Feb 8, 2007

fifi said:
so you are saying if someone says that they belive in God that they are saved. then that would be over the half of the world. because if you look at tv you can see that many people and stars say that they are saved but does their life fit what the word says not really. does Bonos know it does not he might do alot of good works that may look to be Godly, but like someone said in one of thier post that he uses cuss words in his songs so that does not sound like he is living for God to me. but we all have are own mind but i choose to have the mind of christ.

Please don't use swearing as a measure of who is saved and who is not. Well I guess the Apostle Paul can't be saved because he used the equivalent of s*** in the Bible. Give me Bono's bad mouth and works that have saved thousands of life over someone with the cleanest mouth who sits at home doing nothing for the world. I also said that Bono believes in Jesus, meaning that that he believes He died and rose again and redeems mankind from their sin. If you want to judge people's salvation by their mouth...it's fine with me. I choose not to.

EDIT: Seemed to have missed the five other posts about this...haha...

What do you think of profanity in CCM?

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HATE IT! How does the Bible support that?

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