What do you think of Jimmy Swaggart?

holyrokker · Apr 25, 2005

Never cared for his preaching.

I remember about 20 years ago he was slamming Christian rock, saying Stryper, Bloodgood, Barren Cross, etc. were immoral do to their music, hair and clothes.

I hope he's got his relationship with Christ worked out.

michaeldimmickjr · Apr 25, 2005

jiminpa said:
I see now, it's okay for Swaggart to speak out against righteousness, but it's not okay for us to speak out against his condemnation of Christians.

Jimmy Swaggart thread.

1 John 2:6 says, "Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus Did." Would Jesus pass judgement on him before he is dead and stands before Him in judgement? Many non-christians have condemed us. I'm sure many other "christians" have also. Should we repay evil with evil? Or walk as He did?

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

dragonfire · Apr 25, 2005

he is a conman useing religion to benefit his pocket book the world doesn't need people like him

michaeldimmickjr · Apr 25, 2005

dragonfire said:
he is a conman useing religion to benefit his pocket book the world doesn't need people like him

The world may not, but Jesus does.

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

JimB · Apr 25, 2005

michaeldimmickjr said:
The world may not, but Jesus does.

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

Sure, Jesus accepts us where we are but if we are to lead His flock doesnt he demand more of us than we are often willing to give? Shouldn't (as your signature indicates) Christ shine in us?

~Jim

Izzy23 · Apr 25, 2005

I like him. Not because he is perfect but because he is not. God is a God of mercy and forgiveness and because of one persons mistakes we can learn much. I hope he has grown closer to God and is walking a closer path to Him. Keep your focus on God and not on man.

Peace

New_Wineskin · Apr 25, 2005

jiminpa said:
I see now, it's okay for Swaggart to speak out against righteousness, but it's not okay for us to speak out against his condemnation of Christians.

Jimmy Swaggart thread.

I have noticed this happen quite often when discussing "leaders" . They can dish it out and people are either the ones being targeted or the ones lapping it up . However , when they are the ones being discussed with the same measure , all of a sudden , it is not appropriate . Do as I do - not as I say type-of-thing .

edited to add ; Oops ... I meant to say , do as I say - not as I do . Or , don't say what I say but do what I tell ya to do .

9-iron · Apr 25, 2005

They can dish it out and people are either the ones being targeted or the ones lapping it up . However , when they are the ones being discussed with the same measure , all of a sudden , it is not appropriate . Do as I do - not as I say type-of-thing .

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMEN!!

JimB · Apr 25, 2005

Izzy23 said:
I like him. Not because he is perfect but because he is not. God is a God of mercy and forgiveness and because of one persons mistakes we can learn much. I hope he has grown closer to God and is walking a closer path to Him. Keep your focus on God and not on man.

Peace

JS is probably extremely bitter because of the humiliation and lack of mercy shown him by the media and, unfortunately, other Christians. I know I probably would be bitter, too. But that does not give him a license to forget his own failures when he is unmercifully laying into those he does not agree with. It is the merciful who receive mercy (Matt. 5.7) and it is no wonder that he still has not been shown any more than he has. Apparently, he is a very slow learner.

I have prayed for him many times but Ill admit it is hard to pray with compassion after hearing one of his tirades.

~Jim

jiminpa · Apr 25, 2005

Jim M said:
JS is probably extremely bitter because of the humiliation and lack of mercy shown him by the media and, unfortunately, other Christians. I know I probably would be bitter, too.

Apparently, he is a very slow learner.

I have prayed for him many times but Ill admit it is hard to pray with compassion after hearing one of his tirades.

~Jim

Except that he was bitter before he got caught the first time, and gave the media the free shot at him.

JimB · Apr 25, 2005

jiminpa said:
Except that he was bitter before he got caught the first time, and gave the media the free shot at him.

Maybe its just an unfortunate personality defect! Who knows?

~Jim

michaeldimmickjr · Apr 25, 2005

Jim M said:
Sure, Jesus accepts us where we are but if we are to lead His flock doesnt he demand more of us than we are often willing to give? Shouldn't (as your signature indicates) Christ shine in us?

~Jim

Very good point! Christ should shine on anyone who professes to be a Christian! What I'm saying is that when a Brother in Christ shows that he is human, why are Christians the first to point out the short-comings of others? Are we not suppossed to be the ones that set the example of forgiveness? "Allhave sinned and fall short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

JimB · Apr 25, 2005

michaeldimmickjr said:
Very good point! Christ should shine on anyone who professes to be a Christian! What I'm saying is that when a Brother in Christ shows that he is human, why are Christians the first to point out the short-comings of others? Are we not suppossed to be the ones that set the example of forgiveness? "Allhave sinned and fall short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

You also have a good point. But just how human are our leaders supposed to be and does that go for leaders who steal or murder or beat their wives or are pedophiles? Visiting prostitutes in Louisiana is just as much a crime as any of those. Rebuking sinfulness in a leader , even publicly (Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear, 1 Timothy 5.20), can be just as much an act of mercy as excusing (sometimes mistakenly called forgiving) and/or ignoring their sin.

~Jim

Izzy23 · Apr 25, 2005

I think the operative word here is compassion. Anyone of us could be caught in the same situation. He was a leader and it was a wrong thing to do. Now, let's forgive the man and move on. We are suppose to be Christians. Some of you are behaving the same as those who haven't experienced God's forgiveness. Don't let's any of us forget where we come from.

Peace

michaeldimmickjr · Apr 25, 2005

Jim M said:
You also have a good point. But just how human are our leaders supposed to be and does that go for leaders who steal or murder or beat their wives or are pedophiles? Visiting prostitutes in Louisiana is just as much a crime as any of those. Rebuking sinfulness in a leader , even publicly (Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear, 1 Timothy 5.20), can be just as much an act of mercy as excusing (sometimes mistakenly called forgiving) and/or ignoring their sin.

~Jim

Would Christ not forgive them if they asked? Are we not suppossed to walk as He walked?

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

jiminpa · Apr 25, 2005

I'm not concerned with his buying prostitutes 15+ years ago. It's what he's doing openly now that I have a problem with.

I want to answer the repentence comments, though, by pointing out that he "repented" of buying prostitutes right before he got caught again. It wouldn't surprise me if he just got better at hiding it, but that's not the real issue. The real issue is that he wants to lead Christians into a life of legalistic bondage, and disobedience to God.

I believe in true holiness, which is all about putting God first, and not about man-made rules.

tigersnare · Apr 25, 2005

Some of you are so "funny". Its almost as if anytime the discussion of someone elses sin entails, 5-6 people play the "judging, judgement" card. Do we not have the freedom to call sin, sin?

Maybe it would be beneficial to this board to make a sticky, giving a very precise and accurate biblical definition of the act and words of judging and judgement. It seems everyone has their own opinion on what it is, what it looks like, and how it's done.

I mean, is pointing out someone sin really judging and condeming them? I seriously doubt anyone here is doing that. I think establishing a biblical definition would be beneficial to the board, considering the large amount of posts containing the subject.

JimB · Apr 26, 2005

michaeldimmickjr said:
Would Christ not forgive them if they asked? Are we not suppossed to walk as He walked?

Your Brother in Christ,

Michael

Jesus might forgive them but He would also discipline them. He mercifully gave Judas space to repent, too, but the inevitable finally happened.
~Jim

SpiritPsalmist · Apr 26, 2005

tigersnare said:
Some of you are so "funny". Its almost as if anytime the discussion of someone elses sin entails, 5-6 people play the "judging, judgement" card. Do we not have the freedom to call sin, sin?

Maybe it would be beneficial to this board to make a sticky, giving a very precise and accurate biblical definition of the act and words of judging and judgement. It seems everyone has their own opinion on what it is, what it looks like, and how it's done.

I mean, is pointing out someone sin really judging and condeming them? I seriously doubt anyone here is doing that. I think establishing a biblical definition would be beneficial to the board, considering the large amount of posts containing the subject.

I think it's sinful judging to stand on a soap box and make claims about people I don't know...I can give lots of scripture to back that up but not everyone agrees that those scriptures apply to anything they are doing. And vise versa...they can give lots of scriptures that are supposedly saying that I'm not doing what I should be doing because I'm not on a soapbox too. What's a person to do?

SpiritPsalmist · Apr 26, 2005

Jim M said:
Jesus might forgive them but He would also discipline them. He mercifully gave Judas space to repent, too, but the inevitable finally happened.
~Jim

So, if He's going to discipline them....where is it that the other children in the household stand?

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