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What do you mean by "Total Depravity"?

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We're all totally depraved.

 
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Cary.Melvin said:
What do Calvinists mean by "Total Depravity"?
Cary.Melvin said:
Am I totaly depraved?


Let me quote some Reformed theologians and see what you think of their answers to your question:

Loraine Boettner:

IN the Westminster Confession the doctrine of Total Inability is stated as follows: — “Man, by his fall Into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto

This doctrine of Total Inability, which declares that men are dead in sin, does not mean that all men are equally bad, nor that any man is as bad as he could be, nor that any one is entirely destitute of virtue, nor that human nature is evil in itself, nor that man‘s spirit is inactive, and much less does it mean that the body Is dead. What it does mean is that since the fail man rests under the curse of sin, that he is actuated by wrong principles, and that he is wholly unable to love God or to do anything meriting salvation. His corruption is extensive but not necessarily intensive.

Douglas Wilson:
In discussions such as this, extra-Biblical theological terminology is both a blessing and a hindrance. It is a blessing because it enables us to pin down our definitions with better precision. This is necessary because there are many evangelical Christians who are not willing to submit to certain truths of Scripture, but they are constrained to agree with the phrases of Scripture. So they would agree, for example, that man is dead in his sins because Ephesians says so. But they would then hasten to add that "dead" doesn't mean dead and that we mustn't press such figures of speech too far. As such a discussion progresses, the defender of Biblical truth is constrained to use other words and phrases that will communicate the Scriptural concept.

The hindrance lies in the fact that such extra-Biblical phrases are not inspired and may not always communicate effectively. For example, the doctrine of the total depravity of man sounds like we are asserting the absolute depravity of man, i.e. that man is as bad as he could possibly be. This is quite obviously false. Man is constrained and held back from such an absolute depravity by the common grace of God.

The doctrine of total depravity is this: man is totally unable to contribute to his own salvation in any way, because he is dead in his sins. For example, the resurrection of Lazarus was not a joint effort between Christ and Lazarus. Lazarus came forth because he was raised, not in order to be raised.

Matthew Slick:
Total Depravity means that sin has touched all of what a person is. In the unbeliever this means that his intellect is now corrupted by falsehood. His speech no longer brings glory to God. His motives are selfish instead of pure. His character is stained and corrupted. Furthermore, the doctrine of total depravity does not teach that the person is as bad as he can be, or that he always does the worst possible thing. Instead, it teaches that all parts and passions of the person have been touched by sin and are affected by sin. It means that our intellect is corrupted, our speech does not glorify God, and that our motives are not pure. This is because we are stained by sin and we are flawed by its effect upon us.

I hope that helps.

In Christ,
Kenith
 
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Cary.Melvin said:
But after we have been Baptised (born of water and the spirit) and we are in Christ, we are no longer Totaly Depraved, right?

Since we do not subscribe to baptismal regeneration, we would agree in part.

After being regenerated to life in the spirit by the Holy Spirit, then we are no longer totally depraved, though still in practical terms, still sinners.

It is only after regeneration that we can truly believe and have our affections turned toward God.
 
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Cary.Melvin said:
But after we have been Baptised (born of water and the spirit) and we are in Christ, we are no longer Totaly Depraved, right?

Sacramentology aside, yes...when we are in Christ we are no longer totally depraved. We still struggle against the flesh, but we are no longer unable to do anything truly good.
 
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frumanchu said:
Sacramentology aside, yes...when we are in Christ we are no longer totally depraved. We still struggle against the flesh, but we are no longer unable to do anything truly good.

So when we are in Christ our good works become meritorious in God's sight?
 
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Cary.Melvin said:
So when we are in Christ our good works become meritorious in God's sight?

Not as applied toward salvation(justification).

Our good works are pleasing to God because they are done in Christ, and have been prepared beforehand by God that we should walk in them(Ephesians 2:10) and after we have been restored to a right relationship with God in faith, for apart from faith all is sin.

Our good works will be rewarded in eternity, but not applied to salvation. Only Christ's Work is sufficient to Atone for and Propitiate for sin.
 
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