What Do These Verses Tell You About Science?

leftrightleftrightleft · Dec 25, 2010

Poll!

Here's the poll: Below are three Bible verses which supposedly predict certain scientific discoveries centuries after the Bible was written thereby verifying divine insight. Read each verse and determine which verse applies to which scientific discovery, law or theory.

A) II Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

B) Psalm 102: 25-27 "Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."

and

C) Jeremiah 33:22 "As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me."

If these verses do show something about science then I feel like the poll should agree with the correct answer. I'm interested to see how this turns out and hopefully my options don't make it too obvious.

Jane_the_Bane · Dec 26, 2010

None of the options apply. The Bible is not a book of scientific facts aimed at communicating that kind of knowledge, and these passages do not describe scientific laws any more than similar passages in Hindu myth, mesopotamian legend, or the oral traditions of the Maori.

Mind you, I don't hold that against the books of the Bible: they are not intended as textbooks for the natural sciences. It's just incredibly feeble to try to treat them as such.

Eudaimonist · Dec 26, 2010

Which scientific discovery does this inkblot test predict?

eudaimonia,

Mark

Dr.Strangelove · Dec 26, 2010

More importantly, what do these verses tell you about science?:

6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

To me they say -- Anything 'scientific' that has a theory attached to it.......IGNORE!

SithDoughnut · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
More importantly, what do these verses tell you about science?:

6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

To me they say -- Anything 'scientific' that has a theory attached to it.......IGNORE!

Says the man on the internet.

b&wpac7 · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
To me they say -- Anything 'scientific' that has a theory attached to it.......IGNORE!

I know exactly what you mean! I am tired of people telling me about this "gravity" nonsense.

Booko · Dec 26, 2010

Eudaimonist said:
Which scientific discovery does this inkblot test predict?

I believe it predicts the creation of the popular 90s television show X-files.

As for the Bible, sure, there are some people who think it's a science text, but I don't think that anymore than I think the works of Charles Dickens are economics texts.

Booko · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
More importantly, what do these verses tell you about science?:

6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

To me they say -- Anything 'scientific' that has a theory attached to it.......IGNORE!

It tells me enough about your sense of graphic design that I don't really care to do the work of deciphering the actual content...

Dr.Strangelove · Dec 26, 2010

b&wpac7 said:
I know exactly what you mean! I am tired of people telling me about this "gravity" nonsense.

Ya, especially when they use it to describe how celestial body's orbit eachother.

sithdoughnut said:
Says the man on the internet.

Was that really worth posting?

Booko said:
It tells me enough about your sense of graphic design that I don't really care to do the work of deciphering the actual content...

At least I dont plagerize peoples sigs!

SithDoughnut · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
Was that really worth posting?

Yes. Everything you're using is founded upon scientific theories (and they're all still theories). If what you said was correct, the internet would not exist. Nor would the computer or device you're using it on exist. Or the electrical current that powers it. If we'd ignored scientific theories, they would never have been invented.

b&wpac7 · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
Ya, especially when they use it to describe how celestial body's orbit eachother.

Yep. We all know it's held together with fairy dust and the dreams of little children.

Dr.Strangelove · Dec 26, 2010

SithDoughnut said:
Yes. Everything you're using is founded upon scientific theories (and they're all still theories). If what you said was correct, the internet would not exist. Nor would the computer or device you're using it on exist. Or the electrical current that powers it. If we'd ignored scientific theories, they would never have been invented.

What theories are you talking about?

SithDoughnut said:
Yep. We all know it's held together with fairy dust and the dreams of little children.

Or maybe even electromagnetism?

(just a theory of course)

SithDoughnut · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
What theories are you talking about?

Atomic theory (after all, you have to know about electrons), circuit theory (upon which circuits are based), number theory and various other mathematical theories (to make the computer work), and so on. There are more but I don't know all the names.

All are theories. All are used to make the internet work.

Or maybe even electromagnetism?

(just a theory of course)

A theory based in science, which is, by your logic, nonsense. In fact, by your logic, any alternative posed is nonsense, as any alternative would be a scientific theory.

As for the OP, which I have yet to answer, I can't actually see any links between the verses and any of the options, so I don't know which one to pick.

dlamberth · Dec 26, 2010

None of the above.

The Bible is NOT a science book. It is a book about ones relationship with God.

.

Dr.Strangelove · Dec 26, 2010

SithDoughnut said:
Atomic theory (after all, you have to know about electrons), circuit theory (upon which circuits are based), number theory and various other mathematical theories (to make the computer work), and so on. There are more but I don't know all the names.

All are theories. All are used to make the internet work.

Realy>?

There was me thinking it was all soild trial and error science.

Funny when you go to the wiki entry on 'internet' theres not a single theory mentioned.

I can make electricity with a balloon and a wooly jumper. No theory needed.

Circuits are pretty basic no? Hook up some wires, make sure their touching. Boom. Circuit.

dlamberth · Dec 26, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
I can make electricity with a balloon and a wooly jumper. No theory needed.

Ya...but no one know what electricity is. It's all theory. It's the same with gravity...no on knows what it is either. Yet we use both.

.

leftrightleftrightleft · Dec 26, 2010

My point of this thread was to demonstrate that people that link science to biblical verses don't really know what their talking about. Its based on this link:

How do we know the Bible is true? - ChristianAnswers.Net

The author claims that the one of the proofs of the truthfulness of the Bible is that it lines up with science long before science discovered certain things.

The fact that no one has voted on the polls shows, to me, that this is complete baloney. If the verses are such a stretch such that no one can actually recognize them without being already given the "correct" answers, then I don't think they hold much water.

SithDoughnut · Dec 27, 2010

Dr.Strangelove said:
Realy>?

There was me thinking it was all soild trial and error science.

It is all solid trial and error science. Like I said, you don't understand the meaning of what a theory is. A scientific theory is the result of the solid trial and error science. It's the result of continued experimentation and review. Essentially, theories are as close to facts as we can get outside of logic.

The 'theory' you're thinking of is in fact the word 'hypothesis'.

Funny when you go to the wiki entry on 'internet' theres not a single theory mentioned.

Why would they mention them?

I can make electricity with a balloon and a wooly jumper. No theory needed.

That is a theory. You come up with the idea, you test it out, you get other people to make sure that your results are OK, you see if it makes sense with everything else we know, and then you have a theory. Before that, it is not a theory.

The reason it is a theory and not a fact is because you can never be 100% sure that it is the balloon and the wooly jumper making the electricity. Perhaps it's something else that you haven't factored in. Perhaps it's just total coincidence and you don't need either of them. The chances of these being true are slim, but as long as they're still there, it cannot be a fact. That's why science only ever really talks about theories.

Circuits are pretty basic no? Hook up some wires, make sure their touching. Boom. Circuit.

Indeed. And that knowledge is a scientific theory.

Circuit theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SithDoughnut · Dec 27, 2010

leftrightleftrightleft said:
My point of this thread was to demonstrate that people that link science to biblical verses don't really know what their talking about. Its based on this link:

How do we know the Bible is true? - ChristianAnswers.Net

The author claims that the one of the proofs of the truthfulness of the Bible is that it lines up with science long before science discovered certain things.

The fact that no one has voted on the polls shows, to me, that this is complete baloney. If the verses are such a stretch such that no one can actually recognize them without being already given the "correct" answers, then I don't think they hold much water.

Like I said, I can't see any link at all. I could pick any of them.

Predictions are only ever found when the event predicted has happened, funnily enough. Perhaps if people could use the Bible to predict things that haven't happened yet, they'd have an argument.

Ayersy · Dec 27, 2010

None of them have any scientific meaning. Any of those lines can be interpreted however one wishes to interpret them. They're intentionally vague and pointless, just like the rest of the Bible.

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Conserv. Mass & Energy, Law:Increasing Entropy, Theory:Expanding Universe

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