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Hmm.And neither #2, #3 nor #4 rule out #1.
God is self-existent.What caused God?
Maybe the universe is too!God is self-existent.
As the verse goes on to say ...Suppose somebody has faith to understand there was a different cause. How do you know your faith is right and the other faith is wrong?
In theology, it's an ancient belief called creation ex materia in which God creates the universe from some matter co-eternal with Him. In Christianity it has largely been supplanted by creation ex nihilo but some Christians believe it to this day.Hmm.
I suppose you could have something that exists eternally, but was created. It rather defies logic. But I'm not sure if logic is a reasonable constraint on this kind of speculation.
That's your prerogative.I think I will mark your homework incomplete. The assignment was, "tell us what caused it, and how you know you are right." You gave an answer, but it seems you haven't shown your work. "I have faith that I am right" hardly qualifies as a convincing argument for your position.
Then there must be two universes: the one God created, and the one that is self-existent.Maybe the universe is too!
No, my prime directive is "convince me".your Prime Directive is: LET NOTHING FROM THE BIBLE CONVINCE ME.
I focused on your name, not your tagline.No, my prime directive is "convince me".
My avatar is The Thinker. Beneath that it says "I'll think about it". My tagline is an argument for the need to think things through. So I think I have made it clear that I am here to think about the evidence, not to make sure I don't ever think about what you have to say.
Why can't there just be one self-existent universe... and nothing else?Then there must be two universes: the one God created, and the one that is self-existent.
Because God created one: telling us how He did it, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.Why can't there just be one self-existent universe... and nothing else?
Thats a completely a matter of faith.Because God created one: telling us how He did it, where He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.
Speaking of faith and reasoning ...Thats a completely a matter of faith.
For a second there I though you might have had some reasoning you could show me.
Reasoning that led to God? I am indeed rather moved by observation and reason...including subjective observations and internal experiences....If someone showed you reasoning, you wouldn't be a seeker anymore, would you?....
Well, at least someone is sure.I'm sure you're going to protect your faith....
He said He was.How do you know that?
No.But the universe isn't?
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