What are your views on binge drinking?

keith99 said:

Yea that's a really fair comparison. Lets go with one a bit more realistic.

A every night drinker has one drink each weeknight to unwind. Then one bad day he has 2, next bad day he has 2 and it stays at 2.. 10 years later he is up to 4-5 drinks every day.

Binge drinker goes out and parties hard. He starts at 5 or 6, but then one weekend he has 15 drinks and wakes up with the hangover from hell and swears off booze. It does not last and 6 months later he is back to 5-6 when he goes out drinking. But that is only once or twice a month.

Personally I'm beginning to think the whole making binge drinking the big thing is an invention of guys my age to make their 2-3 drinks a day habit seem fine while vilifying the younger set who drink less often but party hard when they party.

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im not trying to justify it, just helping to understand how it is defined.

its not that there is no risk from drinking often, its just that binge drinking risks are categorised a different way.

its not that a binge drinker neccessarily drinks a huge amount of alcohol, its that they tend to ignore the risk by compartmentalization their drinking.

Blessedj01 said:

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I think you're reading too much into what I've written, but I'll clarify..

I don't respect binge drinkers. I'm sorry if that offends you somehow. I don't respect men who beat their wives and I don't respect women who think it's okay to hit their men. I don't respect bullies. I don't respect people who mock God on a Christian site. There's a lot of people I don't respect. I highly doubt you respect murderers, right?

PreachersWife2004 said:

I think you're reading too much into what I've written, but I'll clarify..

I don't respect binge drinkers. I'm sorry if that offends you somehow. I don't respect men who beat their wives and I don't respect women who think it's okay to hit their men. I don't respect bullies. I don't respect people who mock God on a Christian site. There's a lot of people I don't respect. I highly doubt you respect murderers, right?

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Well, yes, I think I do.
Then again, I am not sure we are using "respecting a person" in the same way. Maybe you could tell me what it practically means for you to disrespect a person? What are the differences in your behaviour when you respect a person and when you disrespect them?

quatona said:

Well, yes, I think I do.
Then again, I am not sure we are using "respecting a person" in the same way. Maybe you could tell me what it practically means for you to disrespect a person? What are the differences in your behaviour when you respect a person and when you disrespect them?

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Well, you won't see it in my behavior, for one thing. As I said, it's one thing to show respect versus disrespecting someone.

I can respect that a murderer still has rights. I can respect that they still are a child of God, even if they don't believe it. It doesn't mean I have to like them.

Respect can often mean validating that person. If I don't respect the person for the decisions they are making I'm certainly not going to say "hey, I think it's okay that you do that". Some people think that's disrespect. If I say "that is a stupid thing you're doing" some people think that's disrespect. If it is, I'm okay with that type of disrespect then.

It's not really an easy concept to explain, which is why I think Blessed is taking too much from it. Saying respect is something earned doesn't mean I automatically disrespect EVERYONE until they earn my respect. It just means that a person doesn't get respect simply for existing.

PreachersWife2004 said:

I think you're reading too much into what I've written, but I'll clarify..

I don't respect binge drinkers. I'm sorry if that offends you somehow. I don't respect men who beat their wives and I don't respect women who think it's okay to hit their men. I don't respect bullies. I don't respect people who mock God on a Christian site. There's a lot of people I don't respect. I highly doubt you respect murderers, right?

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why are you equating drinkers with wife beaters, etc. you are insinuating that they are all equal.

i respect everyone through the love of jesus christ. of course i suffer from the same knee-jerk judgement syndrome of every human being, but i come to my senses.

i am in contact with a murderer who is incarcerated for 17 years.

i don't respect what he did, but i respect him in who christ says he can be, in the man that i knew. thats why i inquired as to his well-being.

if you dont 'respect' binge drinkers, then by the US definition you dont respect anyone who has had 5 drinks. you dont respect any woman who has had 4 drinks. that a lot of people. thats probably most people.

it doesnt offend me it just disappoints me. you need to make a distinction between respecting the person and respecting the behavior.

i respect you even though you won't show me any respect. but i dont respect your behavior.

PreachersWife2004 said:

Well, you won't see it in my behavior, for one thing. As I said, it's one thing to show respect versus disrespecting someone.

I can respect that a murderer still has rights. I can respect that they still are a child of God, even if they don't believe it. It doesn't mean I have to like them.

Respect can often mean validating that person. If I don't respect the person for the decisions they are making I'm certainly not going to say "hey, I think it's okay that you do that". Some people think that's disrespect. If I say "that is a stupid thing you're doing" some people think that's disrespect. If it is, I'm okay with that type of disrespect then.

It's not really an easy concept to explain, which is why I think Blessed is taking too much from it. Saying respect is something earned doesn't mean I automatically disrespect EVERYONE until they earn my respect. It just means that a person doesn't get respect simply for existing.

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respecting someone and liking someone is of course not the same thing.

you do not need to validate someone by respecting them. if people think that you are then they dont understand the meaning of extending respect. if you respect someone in christ then you must respect who christ thinks they are. one definiton of respect - the one im using is -

'have due regard for (someone's feelings, wishes, or rights).'

it is okay to say you think something is stupid if you do it out of love.

you say that you dont disrespect them if they havent earned your respect, and i understand and thank you for clarifying, but i still see a problem with saying anyone has to earn your respect.

if we are honest, there is nothing in us to respect. god says our rigteousness is like filthy rags.

there is also the respect of admiration but we aren't talking about that. you said you dont respect someone for simply existing. well, i say that someone's mere existence demands some respect. that's god's creation. you don't need to respect anything ABOUT that person, but you have to respect their innate worth as a human being. they don't need to earn that.

maybe i am reading a lot into it, but i think this is one thing jesus did a lot better than all of us. and i think we all could do with trying a lot harder to love people by default rather than waiting for something to validate them to our senses.

and the only reason i said this is because you came here saying you dont respect binge drinkers. i used to fall into that category. so why did you come here to insult me. you said you don't share this disrespect, but you did. instead of disapproving of the action, you made a sweeping judgement with your words. words are powerful and yours echoed feelings of judgement that many alcoholics feel.

so i say either choose your words better, or respect people but not necessarily thier actions. you only hurt people by saying you don't respect them for behavior the are struggling to change.

never once did jesus approach someone and say 'i dont respect you but i respect that you are a child of god." he would say, "i don't respect this sin, now i forgive you, go and sin no more." condemnation was not his mission. it shouldn't be ours either.

Like I said, you're reading too much into it. Abd that's the last I'll say about it because it's completely off-topic now.

i just read what you wrote. but fair enough, we can stop talking about it.

PreachersWife2004 said:

Well, you won't see it in my behavior, for one thing. As I said, it's one thing to show respect versus disrespecting someone.

I can respect that a murderer still has rights. I can respect that they still are a child of God, even if they don't believe it. It doesn't mean I have to like them.

Respect can often mean validating that person. If I don't respect the person for the decisions they are making I'm certainly not going to say "hey, I think it's okay that you do that". Some people think that's disrespect. If I say "that is a stupid thing you're doing" some people think that's disrespect. If it is, I'm okay with that type of disrespect then.

It's not really an easy concept to explain, which is why I think Blessed is taking too much from it. Saying respect is something earned doesn't mean I automatically disrespect EVERYONE until they earn my respect. It just means that a person doesn't get respect simply for existing.

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Since you still didn´t explain what it means for you to respect/disrespect a person (other than voicing your approval or disapproval of certain actions - which apparently neither you nor I think has anything whatsoever to do with respect or disrespect) I can´t seem to make sense out of your statements about respect. There is no information content to "I respect a person" or "I disrespect them".

Blessedj01 said:

i am in contact with a murderer who is incarcerated for 17 years. i don't respect what he did, but i respect him in who christ says he can be, in the man that i knew. thats why i inquired as to his well-being.

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Apologies to the Op for being off topic, but do you think this murderer deserves salvation?

To anyone here, I dont know anything about the ignore function, but Blessedj01 has me on ignore, does that mean he cant see my questions?

I'll quote your questions, then he can't help but look at them.. lol.


Unless.. he ignores.. me.. : (

madaz said:

To anyone here, I dont know anything about the ignore function, but Blessedj01 has me on ignore, does that mean he cant see my questions?

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Yes, unless someone quotes you. I think he has a lot of people on ignore. I notice he tells people when he's going to do it.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Yes, unless someone quotes you. I think he has a lot of people on ignore. I notice he tells people when he's going to do it.

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Thank you Crazy_cat-woman.

MehGuy said:

I'll quote your questions, then he can't help but look at them.. lol.

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Could you please?

Unless.. he ignores.. me.. : (

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I have noticed him place at least 5 or 6 people on ignore so far, everytime he loses a debate, so you never know...you could be next.

madaz said:

Apologies to the Op for being off topic, but do you think this murderer deserves salvation?

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I'm not Blessed but a murderer deserves salvation as much as the next person, which is to say: not at all.

Thankfully we have a savior who won our salvation for us.

If salvation were based on our actions we'd ask be going to hell in a handbasket.

quatona said:

Since you still didn´t explain what it means for you to respect/disrespect a person (other than voicing your approval or disapproval of certain actions - which apparently neither you nor I think has anything whatsoever to do with respect or disrespect) I can´t seem to make sense out of your statements about respect. There is no information content to "I respect a person" or "I disrespect them".

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It's off topic anyway and I think people are just reading too much into things.

madaz said:

Apologies to the Op for being off topic, but do you think this murderer deserves salvation?

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No-one deserves it, him perhaps less than most. But He needs it - and God wants him to have it - and that is reason enough for me to want to try. It would also benefit the rest of society - he may be out in 12-13 years and his salvation would enable him to better become a contributing member of society who understands and regrets the depravity of his actions. But I haven't got very far yet and I don't know if I will. All i've done so far is make contact.

madaz said:

To anyone here, I dont know anything about the ignore function, but Blessedj01 has me on ignore, does that mean he cant see my questions?

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You aren't on ignore any more.

MehGuy said:

I'll quote your questions, then he can't help but look at them.. lol.


Unless.. he ignores.. me.. : (

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Yes but even if you quoted them it would be against the rules for me to directly address him if I have already put him on ignore. No matter though, he isn't.