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What are you asked to fulfill?

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Jesus tells us what He came to fulfil ~

Matt 5:17
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

What are you asked to fulfill?

Col 1
[25] Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Here are my 2 questions;

When a man declares he has fulfilled Scripture, the word of God;
IS forgiven, IS saved, IS born again -

Why do other men, KEEP TRYING TO APPLY Scripture to him, that no longer applies, to him, BECAUSE it has been fulfilled?

And - call the man, a liar, foolish, wrong?

Comments on this topic welcome.

God Bless,
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Correct. The scriptures are for self
and do not apply to others.
 
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Always read a verse in context and use different translations to ensure you understand what it says.
Col 1: 24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. 25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

In this NIV version there is nothing for us to fulfill.

As Christians we are to obey Jesus and live a life that honours God and shows love to all.
 
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The law is fulfilled when people love as God has taught.

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-10

If Jesus fulfilled the law, it doesn’t mean his disciples should not fulfill it also. But the reason to fulfil it is not that we then could gain something, but that it is good and all righteous people want to fulfill it, because they understand it is good and want good.
 
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Thanks for you input;

In this NIV version there is nothing for us to fulfill.

I disagree. There is much in Scripture for a man to fulfill.

Some examples of "IF" one fulfills a Scripture; "THEN" the consequence.

John 8 [31] Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Rom 10 [9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, (then) thou shalt be saved.

2 Cor 5 [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, (then) he is a new creature:

God Bless,
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And you believe we do that, or that we are enpowered by the spirit living in us.
 
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And you believe we do that, or that we are enpowered by the spirit living in us.

The Word of God is power, is knowledge, is freely given to mankind. Man is not forced to hear or read or believe.

And a man WHO has submitted to trust and believe, thereafter is given, greater power, BY the INDWELLING Spirit of God. Because a man has chosen to seek, find, hear, read, believe, submit.

God Bless,
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Good thoughts.

Good questions.

To "fulfill" something means it lacked something to bring to it's fullness. The "law" and prophets lacked something. To me it was (spiritual) knowledge of truth. Jesus brought truth and light to the world. To the Jews first (since they were already a church seeking knowledge) and then the rest of the world, who would see it.

The Council of Jerusalem (48AD) reeks so much of the Jews maintaining their "physical" laws (Of Moses and Noah) that Peter, Paul and James just agreed to the Jews holding fast to the "old faith" while hoping that the "spiritual truth" would eventually become their thinking. This is the first contrast of a Christian Jew, and a Christian. The former led to the emergence of Catholicism. And why the OT was contained in the 4th century creation of the Bible.

The Jews wanted the best of both worlds. Circumcision was so important to them. They held to the physical, even though Paul told the Gentiles that it didn't matter.

Paul:
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Jesus really didn't cross that bridge, because it had nothing to do with him message due to it's physical nature (although he did use it to show the Jews how they violated their own sabbath laws by performing them).

The OT is physical with sparks of spiritual. It is gray, IMO. The Gospel is Light, revealing truth and the true God. The OT is in "part". The "perfect" has come. The "part" should be done away (with). Seeing through a glass darkly, yet face to face? May mean that the kingdom of God is within us and all around us, yet we can't see it.

Paul was speaking of love, not charity.

When the Latin (Catholic) Bible was translated to English, a great revealing happened.

The hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church did not approve of some of the words and phrases introduced by Tyndale, such as "overseer", where it would have been understood as "bishop", "elder" for "priest", and "love" rather than "charity". Tyndale, citing Erasmus, contended that the Greek New Testament did not support the traditional Roman Catholic readings. More controversially, Tyndale translated the Greek "ekklesia", (literally "called out ones"[50]) as "congregation" rather than "church".[51] It has been asserted this translation choice "was a direct threat to the Church's ancient—but so Tyndale here made clear, non-scriptural—claim to be the body of Christ on earth. To change these words was to strip the Church hierarchy of its pretensions to be Christ's terrestrial representative, and to award this honour to individual worshippers who made up each congregation."[51]


To me, we fulfill nothing but to provide knowledge to our own spirit that beckons to understand "what is my purpose?". To save the soul.
 
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Thanks for your input.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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