Originally posted by SnuP
So if I read the passage with that though in my mind then I will understand. So true worship comes by us doing things right. Worship coming from mans works. how could I have missed it. What a revelations. Its really all about me doing something.
Or maybe its really all about me allowing God to do his will. Thus the true reason for Paul's guidelines. Telling the corinthians to stop showing off. To focas on the body instead of getting attention. Why don't I just read the passage and allow God to show me what He wants, instead of projecting your doctrine onto the scripture. But wait, that's what I have been doing all along, when I've read this whole passage countless times as I try to get some hint of where in outerspace you get your ideas from.
You forget one thing. Anytime that we allow God to do His work, people worship God. Any time, including those times outside of service. And the passage specifically says that when an unbeliever has the secrets of his heart laid bear, then that unbeliever will worship God. It does not say that if you do all of this stuff right then people will worship God. It talks specifically about prophecy and prophecy only as being tied to an unbeliever's worship. It does not tie any of the other gifts to worship.
You are making a large stretch with this passage. And I refuse to read a passage of scripture with a judgement about what that scripture should mean. I have tried to look at it from your point of view. But frankly, it is flawed and twisted.
You make it obvious that you approach worship from under the law.
Hey SnuP,
I started reading a book I picked up at the library, written by a Jew, about the Old Testiment books of the Bible. With all his "authority" and study he really had some odd opinions of God. And of course he backed up his opinions with the scripture ref. I became discusted with it and will just return it without reading the rest. He's just another person, who supposedly has all the knowledge and skill necessary to inform the world what the scriptures really teach.
We keep being told that our understanding of God's word is twisted and flawed yet in our congregations we are seeing and hearing of peoples deliverence from sin and sickness. In our congregations there is joy and people come away changed and living better lives for God.
I'm not saying that all these great acts are proofs of anything but they are defineately not bad either.
Where's the proof that our critics understanding is the one and only correct one ? I have not seen it yet. Have you?
We are all falling short somewhere. Continuously I stand before God with my heart and my actions for Him to judge. And at the end of our lives, when we stand before God and give account of our lives, we each will be standing before Him alone. The accuser will not be allowed to be standing there with us.
I've escaped from the pit that some of these people keep trying to push me back into. I've been part of that type of congregation and it was more like prison than a place of freedom.
With all the criticizing I'm reminded of something Francis Frangipane said: "What you do with what you see determines who you're following . . .the Redeemer or the accuser."
I intend to follow the Redeemer. Wherever He leads. I will not put Him in a box and inform Almighty God that according to my understanding of what Paul said, it has to be done this way or that way.
The Bible is a plumline, not a set of hand cuffs. Nothing should go against it but not all things about God are in it. We only need to read the last verse of John to find that.
Nuff said on my part. I appreciate you brother.
Quaffer