What are the steps to becoming a Christian?

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 10, 2003

When God told Jonah to go to Nineveh

did he obey NO

went directly in a different direction

what did God do

made him willing to go

to do GOD"S will

even though he did not want to do it he did it

This is an example of some people with salvation

if God the Father picks you[eph 1:4] H.S. convince one way or another

gqaggie04 · Aug 10, 2003

I will go through your list of verses one by one with the agreement that everyone of your verses I respond to, you will answer a question. Is it a deal?

2 Thes 2:1-12
In this passage, Paul is dealing with the idea that the second coming of Christ is at hand. He tells them not to be deceived into believing predictions of that second coming. I believe the verses you are specifically talking about are 10-12.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be ****** who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What is the reason that those perished aren't saved? It is "because they received not the love of the truth." It was only after this happened that God sent them the delusion. First they rejected the truth, and then God gave them something else to believe.

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 11, 2003

where these people blinded before they did not recieve the love of the truth [which is the Holy Spirit 1 cor 2:10] thus think so

because the way you stated that is called man's work and according to Romans 4:5, eph 2:8-9, titus 3:5 states no good work just belief then you add the convincing work of the H.S. John 16:9-11 that makes us believe

aggie03 · Aug 11, 2003

How does John 16:9-11 apply to what you just posted about? Isn't it your turn to answer gqaggie's question also?

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 11, 2003

A Brethren IN CHRIST said:
where these people blinded before they did not recieve the love of the truth [which is the Holy Spirit 1 cor 2:10] thus think so

because the way you stated that is called man's work and according to Romans 4:5, eph 2:8-9, titus 3:5 states no good work just belief then you add the convincing work of the H.S. John 16:9-11 that makes us believe

I give verse for your question because my word means nothing

who give the love of the truth......1 cor 2:10 .....H.S.

Who does the H.S. hold back .....Satan , god of the world, ect
1thes 2:7-8

WHY do we need convincing

#1 Natural blind 1 cor 2:14
#2 Santanic blind 2cor 4:3-4
#3 Judicial blind 2 cor 3:14-16
#4 Spiritually Useless MINDS eph 4:17

how convinced ? power of the Gospel of salvation Romans 1:16

gqaggie04 · Aug 11, 2003

A brethren,

I think we need to keep things as simple as possible so that we can understand each other. I will work on replying to each of the verses you put forth in this post:

Question I have but you do not like answer.........

without the Holy Spirit works in our salvation how do we recieve it.

Restraining 2 thes 2:1-12
Reproving John 16:7-11
Baptizing Acts 11:15-18
Regeneration 1 cor 12:12-13
Indwelling Gal 3:2-5, 1 cor 12:13
Sealing eph 1:13
Filling Eph 5:18
CONVINCING jOHN 16:9-11

we are not able Romans 3:10-11

I keep answering your question but you what a part of your salvation that is work eph 2:8-9, titus 3:5 , Romans 4:5[quote/]

You work on answering my yes or no question.

Is that a deal?

Throwing out more verses only makes it difficult to address the ones you've given.

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 11, 2003

gqaggie04 said:
I will go through your list of verses one by one with the agreement that everyone of your verses I respond to, you will answer a question. Is it a deal?

2 Thes 2:1-12
In this passage, Paul is dealing with the idea that the second coming of Christ is at hand. He tells them not to be deceived into believing predictions of that second coming. I believe the verses you are specifically talking about are 10-12.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be ****** who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What is the reason that those perished aren't saved?

4 different blinds that unbeliever have according to scripture I been told by the gentleman that believers have two but I do not have verses

It is "because they received not the love of the truth."

who teaches the truth [1 cor 2:10] Holy Spirit enables man

It was only after this happened that God sent them the delusion. First they rejected the truth, and then God gave them something else to believe.

2 thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should beleive thee lie.

what is thee lie....in context that

1 thes 5:3 For then they shall say, Peace and safty; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child and they shall not escape.

To put this in a small wording LIKE YOU LIKE IT will we are in the dispensation of the church people will have oppunity to believe the GOSPEL however when the church is raptured those people that had opportunity to believe but did not will believe in the peace and safty of the first 3 and half years [no wars] BUT THEN HELL ON EARTH WILL BREAK OUT.............

The believers in the tribulation get the same promises as the jews before act 2 and after exodus 19

aggie03 · Aug 12, 2003

A brethren, I was wondering if you could help me. It's very obvious to me that you spend at least some time studying the Bible because, even though I may not agree with your interpretations, you do at least offer scripture to support your views. You just mentioned the rapture in you last post. Since I have read it, I have been searching through my Bible for that word. I can't find it anywhere. I was wondering if you could help me find a verse with that word in it, used in the sense that you are using it. This would greatly benefit me in my search for understanding the Truth.

Gqaggie04 and I are also awaiting your reply to the question he has asked. It is, after all, your turn now.

GREG · Aug 12, 2003

many Aggies in here........

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 12, 2003

Rapture is never mentioned but neither is the trinity but it is clearly shown through out scripture

with body truth and we are apart of Christ being put into by baptism we[the Church] get to excape the great tribulation...

gqaggie04 · Aug 13, 2003

A brethren,

It's your turn.

Here's the question again, so you don't have to go back a page.

1. Is cashing the check something the charity must do in order to benefit from the donor's grace?

Please answer "yes" or "no."

After you answer the question, I'll address the second passage you listed.

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 13, 2003

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 13, 2003

Bible Says We Get Crown For Are Works ....?

Why Do We Throw Them Back In Rev 4:10

Thou Art Worthy [and We Are Not]

aggie03 · Aug 13, 2003

Revelation 4:9-11 ASV

And when the living creatures shall give glory and honor and thanks to him that sitteth on the throne, to him that liveth for ever and ever, (10) the four and twenty elders shall fall down before him that sitteth on the throne, and shall worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and shall cast their crowns before the throne, saying, (11) Worthy art thou, our Lord and our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power: for thou didst create all things, and because of thy will they were, and were created.

When I read through the verse that you've quoted, it appears that only 24 elders are going to have a crown, and they are going to throw it before the throne of He that liveth forever and ever.

I think that one of the problems that may be causing misunderstanding and confusion is that the things that are written in Revelation have already come to pass and is a letter written in signs, in my belief. As witness to that affect, I offer the first three verses of the letter:

Revelation 1:1-3 ASV

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; (2) who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. (3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.

The language in this passage is very clear about this being in signs(signified here means to "sign-ify") and something that will happen very shortly.

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 13, 2003

QUESTION WHAT DO THE 24 ELDER SIGNAFY?

ACCORDING TO ARE promise in 2 cor 5:8 asbent from the body and present with the Lord....lot more verses that say we as the body[church] get to rule together with christ and we never leave His side...

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 13, 2003

Time to God is relative

example

2 peter 3:8 But beloved, be not ingnorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalms 90:4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past and as a watch in the night

aggie03 · Aug 14, 2003

A Brethren IN CHRIST said:
Time to God is relative

I am not going to argue this point because you're correct. Time does not matter to God, as far as He is concerned.

We cannot assume, however, that everytime a segment of time, or phrase regarding time, is mentioned in the Bible that it is necessarily a figurative referrence to time. We have to rely on the context and to whom the time referrence is given.

Let me give you an example:

Mark 8:31 ASV

And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Does this mean that Christ was going to be raised after three thousand years? Of course not. Because this time referrence was given to men. We can learn from the verses that you've quoted that time is of no account with GOD.

The letter of Revelation was written to men. The time referrences then, we can assume, are to be understood in the time of men unless the context dictates otherwise. This is simply not the case with the letter of Revelations. Phrases like "the time is at hand" and "shall shortly come to pass" therefor mean exactly that. Something is going to happen soon after the letter was written.

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 14, 2003

so you believe we are in the 1000 year regein

aggie03 · Aug 15, 2003

What thousand year reign are you talking about? I'm not familiar with a thousand year reign occuring anywhere except in a figurative passage in chapter 20 of Revelation. So I guess that answer to your question is no, I don't believe in a thousand year reign, or that we are in it.

A brethren, I understand that these are some questions that you have, and they are some obvious differences in what we both believe, but I really don't see how this is relevant to how one can become a Christian. This is, after all, what we are supposed to be discussing in this thread.

I would have no objections to your starting a new thread about this topic. If you would let me know where it is going to be, then I would be more than happy to make some posts in it with you .

A Brethren IN CHRIST · Aug 15, 2003

Not Dealing With Belief But Interptation Of The Scriptures

Verse For You

Isaiah 28:9-10,13
1 Cor 10:6,11-12
Proverbs 25:2
Jerimiah 36
2 Peter 1:19-21
2 Tim 2:15
Romans 15:4
2 Tim 3:16

Heb 6:18

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