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That's a cool story. Did David know? I don't think so, so was it a prophetic act?Father Rick said:David picked up 5 stones because Goliath had 4 brothers and David planned on killing all 5 of them but the other 4 fled with the rest of the Philistines.
If you trace the life of David, you find that later in his battles with the Philistines he did eventually kill all 4 of Goliath's brothers as well.
Anyone have any idea what this "sin" is?luke 16:14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him......... 27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 'for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah .
He had five full-blooded brothers:
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun.
The Pharisees and scribes to which Christ was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Jesus wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews
There are a couple of problems with this.The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah .
He had five full-blooded brothers:
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun.
The Pharisees and scribes to which Christ was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Jesus wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews!
I am sorry that you dont share with me the way I interpret Revelation but then perhaps you have a very good reason for doing so - far be it for me to dispute whatever interpretation you hold to.Father Rick said:The difficulty here lies with what Paul wrote "No prophecy of scripture is for private interpretation". In other words, we are not to go around deciding our own interpretations for passages, but rather look to what it actually says.
I am the first to agree that there are many parables in scripture that are allegorical in nature, however Jesus always turned to his disciples and explained what he meant in the parables. The goal of scripture is not to hide the truth but to reveal it. The desire to find a 'hidden truth' that only the 'spiritual' can discern is gnosticism-- a heresy that was condemned very early in the Church. We should always focus on those things that scripture makes plain first.
I find it particularly interesting that in your interpretation of this passage, you have completely neglected the face value of the scripture-- especially when that face value is repeated by Jesus in other ways in other passages. The face value of the passage states that the rich man was condemned because he did not show compassion to those in need. As a result he was cast into hell. In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Jesus makes it clear that whoever serves 'the least of these' (the poor, the hungry, the sick, those in prison) would receive eternal reward and whoever does not do this-- no matter how spiritual they may act-- would receive eternal judgement. In fact, in that parable Jesus says the goats will wonder why they are judged, since they were just as 'spiritual' as the sheep. This theme is repeated by Jesus over and again. In his epistle, James picks up this theme that 'faith without works is dead'.
This approach to scriptural interpretation tends to have the same result every time. It seems that the view is 'let's be spiritual instead of being practical'. This is the very thing the Pharisees and Scribes were doing. They were looking for all the minute details of the Law rather than caring for those around them. If anything, it seems that those who try to use this method of interpretation are actually doing exactly the thing Jesus was condemning in this passage.
Wow... I thought I had seen over-allegorization of scripture before... but... wow....
When studying scripture ALWAYS look at the face value of the scripture first. It is only after we look at the plain meaning of the text should one even begin to look to see if there might possibly be a more allegorical interpretation.
Is it possible that Christ may have intended all these things... well it is possible. But they are clearly not the emphasis of the passage. In this passage, Jesus does not say this is a parable, but rather is quite specific that he was telling a story about a specific person... "a certain rich man...a certain man named Lazarus..." The emphasis of the passage is the importance of showing compassion to those less fortunate than ourselves, not about the rejection of the Gospel by the Pharisees.
Oh, and by the way... Purple was the color of the tribe of Issachar (gemstone is amethyst). Judah's colors are emerald green as primary and sky blue as secondary.
LOL, nonsense. I suggest you repent of your antisemitism.LOL. It is a prophecy against the corrupt priests/rulers of the house of Judah, the jews of today with the gulf of the CROSS keeping them from Christ.. Notice the colors of the rich man[colors of the jewish priests/tabernacle]. According to jeremiah, they are "landless" forever without the CROSS. God bless.
Oh and P.S. I forgot to mention that it can't be the bosom of Abraham because Abraham is dead and is waiting to be resurrected and that is in Hebrews.
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I am the first to agree that there are many parables in scripture that are allegorical in nature, however Jesus always turned to his disciples and explained what he meant in the parables. The goal of scripture is not to hide the truth but to reveal it. The desire to find a 'hidden truth' that only the 'spiritual' can discern is gnosticism-- a heresy that was condemned very early in the Church. We should always focus on those things that scripture makes plain first.
When I am doing some deep serious studying I look in the pages of this amazing Bible to find that it reveals secrets that many of us would not find in the many different translations of the Bible today. In this book you find the words and meanings can be quite different. We shall return to this shortly.
I heard this teaching from Ellen G. White and the Seventh Day Adventists for years. Then I read that Jesus said nothing to them without a parable (I believe it said NOTHING, Matt. 13.34unless of course, one chooses to believe that this was the only time). So, yes, I believe it was a parable and not a factual occurrence. Thats the way Jesus chose to teach didactically.When He said "a certain rich man". He really meant a particular person. This is not an allegory, nor is it meant to be symbolic. It is presented as a factual case study.
Gosh, nothing more can be made of it unless that is first understood.
Asaph
Anyone have any idea what this "sin" is?
Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah [is] written with a pen of iron; With the point of a diamond [it is] engraved On the tablet of their heart, And on the horns of your altars, 2 While their children remember Their altars and their wooden images By the green trees on the high hills. 3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders.3 O My mountain in the field, I will give as plunder your wealth, all your treasures, [And] your high places of sin within all your borders. 4 And you, even yourself, Shall let go of your heritage which I gave you; And I will cause you to serve your enemies In the land which you do not know; For you have kindled a fire in My anger [which] shall burn forever."
I heard this teaching from Ellen G. White and the Seventh Day Adventists for years. Then I read that Jesus said nothing to them without a parable (I believe it said NOTHING, Matt. 13.34unless of course, one chooses to believe that this was the only time). So, yes, I believe it was a parable and not a factual occurrence. Thats the way Jesus chose to teach didactically.
As for the OP, I do not believe the five brothers represent some sort of extended metaphor. I think we can read too much into Christs parables, analyze it too deeply, so much in fact that we lose the obvious truth among all the details.
Yep. They were a pretty thick-headed crew. He had to explain his parables to them (Mark 4.34). They did not even understand the resurrection when it came down to the final moments, despite Christ's prior explanations. How dense is that?He taught the multitudes in parables, not His followers. He said so.
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