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Admin Hat...

An additional cleanup has been completed.

I don't get why posters can not read and understand our statement of purpose.

Let's try again....

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If all the Anglicans in the world thought alike, they wouldn't be Anglican. We have for the past five hundred years at least been a Church for all people. Our diversity has been our greatest strength at times, and our greatest weakness at other times. For all the advances of the current age we seem to have lost some of the nuanced ecclesial communion that we once had, and many of our number are pushing boundaries as if there are no boundaries.

We have members who are too Pope-ish for the Catholics and others too protestant for the Baptists. The truth is we are more fractured than we have ever been at any time in our history. Our brokenness does not mean that we have nothing to offer, nor nothing to learn; we have plenty of both.

And I believe we need other Communions to walk with, not to dominate or be taken over, but that we might learn from one another and help each other on this road that leads to the Father.

Maybe I am just dreaming out loud.
 
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I liked your post in general, Philip, but I'm not sure about "more fractured than we have ever been." I recall the English civil war; at least we are not martyring one another over women's ordination or gay marriage...
 
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I liked your post in general, Philip, but I'm not sure about "more fractured than we have ever been." I recall the English civil war; at least we are not martyring one another over women's ordination or gay marriage...

http://www.anglicansonline.org/communion/nic.html

http://www.anglicansonline.org/communion/infull.html

Perhaps the relative length of the two lists makes interesting reading. I am aware that the not in communion list is never up to date as like the rest of us they are flat out keeping up with it.
 
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John 17:18-23

"As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me."

Says it all!
 
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Very true. I believe it never was God's intent for us to split off from each other. God willing, hopefully we will be in communion with each other in the future.

Sadly, the Christian faith has splintered greatly - and the beliefs between various denominations and churches vary greatly.
 
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Next Monday promises to be a huge -- the biggest ever -- step forward in the long road back to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church!
http://www.lund2016.net/
Joint Catholic-Lutheran Commemoration of the Reformation
From Conflict to Communion – Together in Hope
Lund & Malmö, 31 October 2016


Pope to take part in Reformation events in Swedish cities of Lund and Malmö

Since the European Anglican and Lutheran churches are already united in the Porvoo Communion, Anglicans are of course more than welcome to join in, because our churches are their churches as well.

In the scenario above, if the Anglicans and Catholics were to reunite, what would happen to female Anglican priests?

They would be welcomed as dear sisters in Christ, perhaps?

Francis receives his “dear sister”, head of the Lutheran Church of Sweden
 
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I agree. If anyone unites in the near or intermediate future, it will most likely be the EO and the OO.
 
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It seems to me that Jesus did not intend for his followers to fragment into so many different groups. Having said that, I still do not believe that any Christian body today represents the 1st Century Church completely, especially concerning the issues of divorce and remarriage and military service for the State. For those very few Protestant groups that might abide by the above two issues, they still fall apart when it comes to the Eucharist, infant Baptism, prayers for the dead, etc.
 
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It does seem to me that the aspects of 'we should be one' possibly have a few aspects, some of which are easier than others.

Institutional Union such as two bodies become a single body with a single functioning head. This of course is the most difficult to achieve and is probably fraught with the prospect of various splinter groups. In Australian the Uniting Church was an amalgamation of the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church, and the Congregational Church. That also produced a Continuing Presbyterian Church, and for a while continuing Methodists, and a number of independent congregations. Whilst the Uniting Church has been reasonably successful, I am very aware that the body that has emerged is not much like any of the bodies that entered it - and I am not saying if that is good or bad.

Inter-Communion where there is sufficient acknowledgement of the truth of the faith that the two bodies share as to welcome to the Holy Communion members of the other churches. This is a relationship that exists between the various Old Catholic Churches, the Mar Thoma Church, The Independent Church of the Philippines, and the Anglican Communion. None of these churches seeks to rule or be ruled, but rather to value and honour one another. To greet each other with a Holy Kiss, if you like.

There seems a feeling among some that for anything to be possible it is essential that the various parties be dogmatically identical. Others I think would argue for a core where this is essential and a wider area where this is less emphatically essential. And of course the moment you get there, you then discover that some people have a very big core. Anglicans of course struggled with this in the 16th Century (and burned the odd Bishop over it), and we were doing it in one language, and that language is blessed with a level of nuance and imprecision which sometimes allowed us to find the words we could say together.

I am not saying it is not challenging, however I do think in a world that seems to have got a lot smaller our need to find the things we have in common has grown.
 
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