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The world may never know.
There certainly are some people in this forum who make it a point to tell us how "Spiritually mature" they are, but I don't buy it. When one is truly Spiritually mature, they don't run around saying "I'm Spiritually mature!". That would be the equivalent of me waking up every morning and screaming "I'm an adult!"
Spiritual maturity is something that is demonstrated. Any time someone tries to "tell" me they're more Spiritually mature than _______, it throws up a HUGE red flag.
Bottom line. If you're Spiritually mature, people will know it, not because you had to tell them, but because you act like it.
Rather than calling people a bunch of names, did you ever think that there may be a difference in spiritual maturity between folks here? Did you ever think that maybe you are lacking this maturity in areas that folks have already?
What one person tolerates maybe another will not because their walk is closer to Jesus than the folks who hold Him at a long distance relationship.
Here's the quote by me,..
Now,... I never referenced myself in this, I only pointed out some truth here, yet people are somehow feeling belittled by this quote as if I uplifted myself in this over anyone?!?
The truth of the fact is this, each of us will have a different spiritual maturity as we are being sanctified and drawing closer to GOD. Those that hold HIM at a distance and place things in between HIM and them will have their growth suffer substantially whereas the person that seeks HIM with their whole heart and makes considerable effort towards drawing near HIM everday will have greater insights and revelation into things that the other person drowning in his/her "personal things" will completely miss out on.
Now if people are feeling a bit convicted over this, it is up to them to do something about it, or just continue to rant and rave and throw a tantrum over their situation while others grow past them.
Time stands still for no one, and if you refuse to make any effort in your relationship with GOD, it is you that has yourself to blame. GOD is not going to do that part for you.
The problem was not with what you said so much as the implication. Whenever this kind of thing is trotted out it is as an implication that those who don't agree are somewhat less mature than the poster. It also gives the impression that I have previously stated that you think higher of yourself than maybe you really do. Please try to clarify rather than put out short posts which can easily be misinterpreted.
I don't think anyone is feeling convicted by this at all. Just frustrated at the continuous allegations of how much further we are from God or how we haven't heard from God over this or comments like "sheep" etc.
God bless
Simon
I also hate it when people say "Don't judge.." blah blah blah.
It has to be the most qouted verse ever.
And the only people that say it are sinners.
I always reply "You know the guy who wrote that, also kicked a guy out of church for marrying his mother in law."
Apart from talking about hirelings, hypocrits, being drunk in the blood of the saints, and the harlot church,... let's get back to the subject,...
Sanctification is a very overlooked aspect of leadership in the body of Christ. It follows our justification, but there are people who think that their "self-life" was placed on that cross with their sin also, and scripture never depicts that.
Our standards need to be raised, and there is only one listed in the bible, the one that Jesus gave us, and no one is going to attain it if they refuse to put the work into being sanctified.
i think it's not so much that we are tollerant, but that having seen a lack of holiness and personal responsibility both here on the forum and on a national level, we are disillusioned from viewing man and his failings for too long a time.
We are forgetting that our eyes should be on God.if we keep our eyes on Him and if our first concern is how to please Him, THEN we will know better how to treat our fellow Christians.
but if our main concern is the beam in our brother's eye, then we have taken our focus off of God, put our trust in our own wisdom, and our feet are in grave danger of following after where our eye is focused.
I don't think it's a sin to tell someone that sin seperates them from God.
I think it's a sin to not say something and just let them slowly kill themselves.
When a Christian who is saved by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, this Christian is living in a new Creature with holy conscience rather than sinful conscience. Our hearts are the source of our emotions, thoughts and motives. Our hearts are the place of conscience. Our hearts are the part of our beings where we desire, deliberate, and decide.There's just so much sin consciousness (which the Bible calls an "evil conscience") and self-appointed church policemen in this forum. And betw the 2, the latter stinks more.
The world may never know.
There certainly are some people in this forum who make it a point to tell us how "Spiritually mature" they are, but I don't buy it. When one is truly Spiritually mature, they don't run around saying "I'm Spiritually mature!". That would be the equivalent of me waking up every morning and screaming "I'm an adult!"
Spiritual maturity is something that is demonstrated. Any time someone tries to "tell" me they're more Spiritually mature than _______, it throws up a HUGE red flag.
Bottom line. If you're Spiritually mature, people will know it, not because you had to tell them, but because you act like it.
EACH of us are responsible to discipline not only our own lives but also the lives of those around us including our spiritual leaders.
Independent, Christian Organizations, Churches and Mega-churches of our day (examples: non-denominational, Word of Faith and others) are rarely governed in the way elders have oversight (Acts 20:28; I Pet. 5:2-3) and lack of accountability and responsibility to rule their organization/congregation (I Tim. 3:5; 5:17; I Thes. 5:12; Heb. 13:7, 17, 24). Spiritual leaders have the freedom to abuse their powers.Hello There
I dont know how to discipline a Christian leader. If you mean the American telethon evangelists, the best I could do is throw peanuts at the TV screen.
If you mean modern day pastors, many I have met do not listen to mere plebs.
The only people we can discipline are ourselves methinks.
Independent, Christian Organizations, Churches and Mega-churches of our day (examples: non-denominational, Word of Faith and others) are rarely governed in the way elders have oversight (Acts 20:28; I Pet. 5:2-3) and lack of accountability and responsibility to rule their organization/congregation (I Tim. 3:5; 5:17; I Thes. 5:12; Heb. 13:7, 17, 24). Spiritual leaders have the freedom to abuse their powers.
We are way too tolerant.
I see smokers outside of church and I just want to kick them in the seat of their pants and say "What is wrong with you!?? There are kids walking around here, and that has to be one of the dumbest sins ever!"
I really hate it when I see an obesse pastor, the spirit of slap comes all over me.
I feel like walking up to them, slapping them in the face and saying "What is wrong with you??!! And don't give me that 'oh it's the culture' nonsense. Sin is sin, and you are a glutton and a sloth. Here take this hand gun and shoot yourself, it'll be less painful and a lot quicker than this self torture you are putting yourself through."
If it is done because their is genuine care for the persons well being then yes I agree...we should definitely say something, but if it is done to make a person feel like they are separated from God because they do not follow our moral standards then I have a problem with it.
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