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Sorry friend, but that is not correct. Your Catholic blog site is not true and not correct.
I encourage YOU to do the work and not follow Catholic bloggers who have a personal agenda.
IF you will do that you will find that the Roman Catholic Church sees Peter as the first pope upon whom God had chosen to build His church. It holds that he had authority over the other apostles. The Roman Catholic Church maintains that sometime after the recorded events of the book of Acts, the Apostle Peter became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishop was accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches.
The RCC teaches that God passed Peter’s apostolic authority to those who later filled his seat as bishop of Rome. This teaching that God passed on Peter’s apostolic authority to the subsequent bishops is referred to as “apostolic succession” and it has cause more problems today than can be mentioned on such a site as this one.
IF...IF, you really want to know and then YOU do the work you will find very easily that the Roman Catholic Church also holds that Peter and the subsequent popes were and are infallible when addressing issues “ex cathedra,” from their position and authority as pope. It teaches that this infallibility gives the pope the ability to guide the church without error. The Roman Catholic Church claims that it can trace an unbroken line of popes back to St. Peter, citing this as evidence that it is the true church, since, according to their interpretation of Matthew 16:18, Christ built His church upon Peter.
The actual truth and REAL history confirms that Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel, the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, but nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy).
Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome.
However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles in Ephesians 2:19-20, and the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders. That is what is seen in Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11.
Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine.
Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him.
I believe it's right before the book, chapter, and verse of the "sinners prayer"
First, the Rosary is not a prayer to Mary. It is a meditation on the life of Christ. Each mystery of the rosary is focused on the very Biblical events of the Gospels. To say that the Rosary is not biblical is not accurate at all.So in your own words........You practice a religious procedure that is NOT found in the Scriptures.
You see, everyone knows that the "sinners prayer" is not found word for word in the Bible.
However if you actually did read the Bible you would see that It is in fact found in the Bible.......
Romans 10:9...........
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
Now again..........is the direction of the Rosary found in the Bible?
Is their a "Suggestion" of such an event.
Is their an "Implied" direction of the event or procedure?
Will you be able to answer the questions or will you continue to try and be funny and ignore the subject?
Again, you got it only partly right. Let me give you the full meaning.
S. Chrysostom observes that S. Paul did not wish the weak to be left to their own judgment in this, as in a point of no consequence; but that they should wait for a time. The converts were not immediately prohibited their accustomed practices, but they were tolerated in them for a while, till fully instructed. This we see in many of the converts at Jerusalem, who were still observers of the Mosaic ordinances; this was tolerated, that the synagogue might be buried with honour.
I will be patient for a bit
First, the Rosary is not a prayer to Mary. It is a meditation on the life of Christ. Each mystery of the rosary is focused on the very Biblical events of the Gospels. To say that the Rosary is not biblical is not accurate at all.
When you look at the components of the Rosary individually you’ll see 1) that every part of the Rosary is biblical in nature and 2) each part has deep meaning contrary to the claim of “mindless pagan babbling” or “vain repetition” that it’s often described as. I invite you to read Fr. Longenecker’s comments on vain repetition for a deeper understanding of Matthew 6:7, and also read Elizabeth Scalia’s thoughts on the question, here.
The Rosary is composed of the following prayers – Ave Maria (Hail Mary), Pater Noster (the Lord’s Prayer, given to us by Christ Himself), Gloria Patri (Glory Be), Apostles Creed, the various mysteries of faith, and a concluding Salve Regina.
When Catholics pray the “Hail, Mary” prayer they are not praying to Marybut are asking for her prayers of intercession for us, in the same manner that you may ask friends, family, or your clergy to pray for you. Only her intercessory prayers are more powerful because she is the Mother of our Lord and sits at His side in Heaven. The Hail Mary prayer is taken straight out of the Bible, off the lips of the Archangel Gabriel, the messenger of the Lord (Luke 1:28 NAB), and from Elizabeth’s words of praise when the child in her womb recognized Jesus as the Messiah (Luke 1:42 NAB) .
The doxology Gloria Patri, or Glory Be, is nothing more than a hymn of praise to the Holy Trinity.
“Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit,
as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen”
The Mysteries of the Rosary are meditated on while praying each decade (ten Hail Mary beads), with the purposes of drawing the person praying deeper into reflecting on Christ’s’ joys, sacrifices, sufferings, and the glorious miracles of His life.
I can’t think of any other prayer in the world richer in biblical and theological meaning, more profound and spiritually beautiful than the Rosary. It’s a chain of prayer that binds us to God. That is why I encourage folks to the pray the Rosary and invite and encourage you to pray it as well.
I also think you would enjoy the writings of Scott Hahn. Before he was a well-known Catholic writer and apologist he was staunchly anti-Catholic Presbyterian minister. If you are earnestly seeking knowledge the best place to start is with his books, Rome Sweet Home and Hail Holy Queen.
I truly wish you the best.
Some of the verses I had encountered before. I wasn’t entirely illiterate with respect to the Bible, but many verses were new to me. Whether familiar or not, the verses elicited no response from me, because I didn’t know enough about the Bible to respond effectively.
Finally the missionary got to Matthew 16:18: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church."
"Hold it right there!" I said. "I know that verse. That’s where Jesus appointed Simon the earthly head of the Church. That’s where he appointed him the first pope." I paused and smiled broadly, knowing what the missionary would say in response.
I knew he usually didn’t get any defense of the Catholic position at all as he went door to door, but sometimes a Catholic would speak up as I had. He had a reply, and I knew what it would be, and I was ready for it.
"I understand your thinking," he said, "but you Catholics misunderstand this verse because you don’t know any Greek. That’s the trouble with your Church and with your scholars. You people don’t know the language in which the New Testament was written. To understand Matthew 16:18, we have to get behind the English to the Greek."
"Is that so?" I said, leading him on. I pretended to be ignorant of the trap being laid for me.
"Yes," he said. "In Greek, the word for rock is petra, which means a large, massive stone. The word used for Simon’s new name is different; it’s Petros, which means a little stone, a pebble."
In reality, what the missionary was telling me at this point was false. As Greek scholars—even non-Catholic ones—admit, the words petros and petra were synonyms in first century Greek. They meant "small stone" and "large rock" in some ancient Greek poetry, centuries before the time of Christ, but that distinction had disappeared from the language by the time Matthew’s Gospel was rendered in Greek. The difference in meaning can only be found in Attic Greek, but the New Testament was written in Koine Greek—an entirely different dialect. In Koine Greek, both petros andpetra simply meant "rock." If Jesus had wanted to call Simon a small stone, the Greek lithos would have been used. The missionary’s argument didn’t work and showed a faulty knowledge of Greek. (For an Evangelical Protestant Greek scholar’s admission of this, see D. A. Carson, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1984], Frank E. Gaebelein, ed., 8:368).
"You Catholics," the missionary continued, "because you don’t know Greek, imagine that Jesus was equating Simon and the rock. Actually, of course, it was just the opposite. He was contrasting them. On the one side, the rock on which the Church would be built, Jesus himself; on the other, this mere pebble. Jesus was really saying that he himself would be the foundation, and he was emphasizing that Simon wasn’t remotely qualified to be it."
"Case closed," he thought.
It was the missionary’s turn to pause and smile broadly. He had followed the training he had been given. He had been told that a rare Catholic might have heard of Matthew 16:18 and might argue that it proved the establishment of the papacy. He knew what he was supposed to say to prove otherwise, and he had said it.
"Well," I replied, beginning to use that nugget of information I had come across, "I agree with you that we must get behind the English to the Greek." He smiled some more and nodded. "But I’m sure you’ll agree with me that we must get behind the Greek to the Aramaic."
"The what?" he asked.
"The Aramaic," I said. "As you know, Aramaic was the language Jesus and the apostles and all the Jews in Palestine spoke. It was the common language of the place."
"I thought Greek was."
"No," I answered. "Many, if not most of them, knew Greek, of course, because Greek was the lingua franca of the Mediterranean world. It was the language of culture and commerce; and most of the books of the New Testament were written in it, because they were written not just for Christians in Palestine but also for Christians in places such as Rome, Alexandria, and Antioch, places where Aramaic wasn’t the spoken language.
"I say most of the New Testament was written in Greek, but not all. Many hold that Matthew was written in Aramaic—we know this from records kept by Eusebius of Caesarea—but it was translated into Greek early on, perhaps by Matthew himself. In any case the Aramaic original is lost (as are all the originals of the New Testament books), so all we have today is the Greek."
I stopped for a moment and looked at the missionary. He seemed a bit uncomfortable, perhaps doubting that I was a Catholic because I seemed to know what I was talking about. I continued.
at that time even today some traditions consider teacher as God as their king as everything they tell is true that is why Jesus saidTheir customs were tolerated..............
Customs such as the Rosary,
Crossing ones self,
Laity prohibited from marriage,
Confessional both,
Calling some one other than your father, FATHER.
I do not know what you mean by "I will be patient for a bit".
I guess that means something to you and to those who are easy to manipulate but I encourage you to save your time in threats IF that is what your intent was. If not then please ignore the comment.
First of all, I know what the Rosary is and my point was that IT IS NOT A BIBLE direction but is completely a Catholic procedure. IF it was Biblical then there would be some kind of direction or implication for its use. THAT is my point.
You just said that YOU do not know of any other prayer in the world richer than the Rosary.
Because of that comment, and because I love you I want to give you a few prayers found in the Bible that are much better.......
1).
EXODUS 33:13 ........
"Now therefore, if I have found favor in your sight, please show me now your ways, that I may know you in order to find favor in your sight."
2).
Philippians 1:9-11...........
"And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God."
You said.............
"Some of the verses I had encountered before. I wasn’t entirely illiterate with respect to the Bible, but many verses were new to me. Whether familiar or not, the verses elicited no response from me, because I didn’t know enough about the Bible to respond effectively".
And there is the problem, my dear friend. That alone is why you are a Catholic believer.
Their customs were tolerated..............
Customs such as the Rosary,
Crossing ones self,
Laity prohibited from marriage,
Confessional both,
Calling some one other than your father, FATHER.
I am following Paul's advice, trying to be patient with those immature in the Faith.I do not know what you mean by "I will be patient for a bit".
As soon as you can show where in the Bible are the directions or instructions to formulate the sinners prayer are located. I know you cannot so please allow others to use scripture to formulate prayers and devotions.Now again..........is the direction of the Rosary found in the Bible?
Is their a "Suggestion" of such an event.
Is their an "Implied" direction of the event or procedure
As soon as you can show where in the Bible are the directions or instructions to formulate the sinners prayer are located. I know you cannot so please allow others to use scripture to formulate prayers and devotions.
You see, you make it so easy to jest at you because of your hypocrisy.
In all seriousness, you've got to invest in some new anti Catholic cue cards. It may not he your fault since you may be new to the Christian faith, but the topics you choose to highlight have been debunked many times.
I am following Paul's advice, trying to be patient with those immature in the Faith.
it is a copy of conversation from other source prior to which there are many conversation on different things ...i just copied from middle and pasted here for you to read
that is it thinking of meditating love of Jesus His life glorying and adoring Him repeating word of God...that's rosary....praising God ....learning from Mary her obedience...Jesus life...and thanking for His gifts...
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at that time even today some traditions consider teacher as God as their king as everything they tell is true that is why Jesus said
of course you will call your dad "father"..
But my dear friend, again you are not giving an answer that is coming from YOU.
You as a Catholic must be aware of the command from Jesus Christ in
Matthew 23:9...................
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
A "Father" is a life giver. To call a man a "Father" in Spiritual matters is to put him in the place of God as the one who gives spiritual life. My dear friend, I do not care what the RCC says or the Catholic websites tell you, I am saying to you that the practice of the RCC in calling their bishops "Father" is blasphemous.
Only God the heavenly Father gives life. A "Master" is one in a position of authority. Jesus Christ is the ONE in the position of authority as the head of the church today.
Now if you did not realize that fact, now you do. Again, why do YOU call your bishop "father".
If your answer is "Tradition", that will not work when you stand before Him and He, the Lord Jesus asks YOU why you openly disobeyed Him.
The rosary is a devotion in honor of the Virgin Mary. It consists of a set number of specific prayers. First are the introductory prayers: one Apostles’ Creed (Credo), one Our Father (the Pater Noster or the Lord’s Prayer), three Hail Mary’s (Ave’s), one Glory Be (Gloria Patri).I hear you and I know what you are saying as it is what the Catholic apologetic web site all say.
However, that was not the question.
My question is WHY is it done when there is not one single Scripture in the Bible that gives you direction to do so.
There is also not one single Scripture which directs you to cross yourself. NO, NOT ONE.
So then why is it done is the question. Not what the RCC tells you to say but why do YOU do it?
sorry for thatWell, you know it would be better to post your source then we would not assume that it was you.
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