warning might cause ocd spikes religious ocd(scrupulosity) the dreadul ocd

pjspara · Apr 28, 2009

exactly michael..... we cannot trust out feelings...... we cannot even trust ourselves..... we MUST trust the LORD... no matter how we are feelling or what we are thinking....

the enemy absolutely thrives on our fears....which can intensify if we let them...

staying strong in the struggle...

pj

hisbloodformysins · Apr 29, 2009

annrobert said:
This has been my experience with this dreadful form of ocd.

I think the terror that a person has become appostate is a dreadful form of ocd (scrupulosity)..Cause when a person is terrified that they are unforgivable it can be very very difficult to overcome because they think as long as there is a chance that they have become appostate or unforgivable that the promises in the bible no longer apply to them because they are appostate now and nothing can be done.The terror seems to confirm it all as well and causes the mind to become clouded with confusion and hopelessness.
This is such a horrible and tormenting form of ocd because it focuses on a person's eternal destiny and makes the person think they have lost safety in Jesus and can no longer call on Him.
It makes the suffering person think His wrath abides upon them forever.Therefore coming to Jesus can be terrifying since a person thinks that Jesus is furious with them and His wrath abides on them and that they have forever insulted Him and that they themselves must therefore be very evil and that their sins cannot and will not be washed away.
The terror and anguish and torment of this kind of ocd seems to either be confirming those thoughts or else causing those thoughts.A person with this type of ocd has a very hard time accepting that it is ocd because it all seems so very real and the scriptures appear to back it up through their distorted thinking which the torment in their mind causes with extreme confusion and inability to focus or feel God's grace.This has been my experience with ocd.Has anyone here had similar experiences to this?

The way I am learning to deal with this is to keep meditating on God's Word and the promises and nature of Jesus.It is only through the grace of Jesus that I am beginning to heal from this.
Jesus said His words are truth and they are life.They are life to them that find them.Jesus also said come to Me all ye that labour and are heavy laden.So I am coming to Jesus with my ocd.Prayer is very powerful because Jesus hears and answers prayer and said to come to Him as little children and to seek and ye shall find.Jesus promises that when we ask Him for something good He will give us the good thing we ask for.
Jesus is teaching me the difference between the ocd fears and the truth as I come to Him even with my terror and fear and ocd.
Jesus said said He came to heal the broken hearted and set at liberty them that are bruised and to heal the broken hearted.He said that a bruised reed He would not crush and a smoking flax He would not snuff out,these are some of the promises He makes to us.I am beginning to realize that Jesus is protecting me through all this.
I have also began seeing a very kind counselor who is also christian and prays for me at the end of each session.It was very hard for me to not have anyone to talk about my feelings with before.This ocd forum has also helped me immensly.The people here are all so supportive and understanding and caring.Many people have found the different ocd therapies very helpful too and medication.The thing is that this horrifying form of ocd is possible to beat , or at least become manageable I think.
Does this make sense at all to anyone , or have other people had similar experiences with religious ocd or (scrupulosity)? or have your types of religious ocd been very different?Do you think each kind of religious ocd has a root fear or do the fears keep changing and morphing into different fears?Have you beaten it or has it beome manageable?If not do you think it can be beat or become manageable?

Jesus Bless
annrobert

It attacks the helmet of salvation, which is a very vital part to our being and is disabling to say the least!

HB

wlewis72 · Oct 30, 2009

I am currently struggling with the "unpardonable sin" issue. I have OCD and am often afraid that I will commit it, or will want to. I completely sympathize. I had my doctor adjust my medication for anxiety, so am hoping that will help. I think often, "If only I could have the cleaning or hand washing form of OCD", something that doesn't involve my eternal destiny. But OCD does hit us at our weakest point I first read about the unpardonable sin in my NKJV Bible almost 11 years ago; I wish I hadn't. Now I know the issue is OCD.

I don't know what I can do to help, other than let you know you are not alone. For myself, it's good to know that this isn't unheard of.

Wynne

stephr13 · Jun 23, 2011

all of these posts really help me. this is such a private subject that most of us hold it in because people don't understand. it is so isolating. thank you all for sharing.

stephr13 · Jun 23, 2011

this site is very helpful. does anyone else have references or sites they go to for comfort?

stephr13 · Jun 23, 2011

I apologize if I have replied to your post more than once. I am new to this site and am learning how to post and maneuver through the site. Your post is extremely helpful and I appreciate what you have shared. Thank you.

stephr13 · Jun 23, 2011

that is so sad.

tripletiger1200 · Jun 24, 2011

I have a root fear that I won't be forgiven because at some point in the future I think that I will commit some unforgivable sin. All I can do is pray and try to fight it with God's Word, the truth. The blasphemous thoughts change, almost every time that I start to gain ground through His grace over one. Sometimes it's multiple thoughts that make it almost impossible to spend any time in prayer with him, or to read His Word, or to even properly thank Him for how awesome He really is. It's hard but something that helps me is thinking that this can be used for good. Because of these thoughts I spend more time in prayer, studying The Bible, and trying to avoid sin than I think I could ever muster up the will to do normally.

Hermit7 · Jun 24, 2011

I struggle with issues of the unforgivable sin. But for me it comes as "bargains" with God (i.e. that if I do this or this then I would be exchanging my salvation for something).

It becomes even worse when a particular sin is involved (like for me it unfortunately involves masturbation). Even today, I found myself yielding to it. It's both shameful and terrifying. And when the OCD hits at the same time, I feel unforgivable and that even my confessing to Him and asking for His forgiveness won't save me.

VZ2011 · Jul 17, 2011

Extreme spiritual fearfulness (over blasphemy & going to hell) & doubting (even while you are pursing God, reading his word, and in prayer)are forms of spiritual OCD. They and other racing negative fearful thoughts are the result of a vitamin deficiency which causes a chemical imbalance in the brain and is treatable with extreme daily doses of vitamines. If you or a loved one experience extreme spiritual fearfulness, OCD or schizophrenia tendancies (paranoia, visual hallucinations, hearing voices), depression, insomnia, racing thoughts, panic attacks, anxiety, other mental distresses, do yourself a favor and reasearch depression, schizophrenia, OCD vitamin and orthomolecular therapy and the work of a canadian doctor named Abram Hoffer. Basically he developed a treatment (that truly WORKS) with Vitamines. It's a minimal cost to incur to invest in your physical and mental AND SPIRITUAL wellness. I am not peddling anyone's vitamines. You can get any brand at Walmart or a grocery store or a vitamine store on line. These Vitamin supplements have been a tremendous help to my relative and myself who continue to experience greater and greater healing each day that we continue with this vitamine therapy. Relief comes within the first couple of days and continues as you continue to take the vitamine supplements. You must take them for the rest of your life or risk a relapse. [/font]

1000 mg niacian daily (get a combination of flush-free and regular niacin) the regular will cause you to flush--(you will get red and hot but this means it is working--the longer it takes you to flush the more you needed it. the redness goes away in about 15 minutes. The flush-free niacin will not make you flush. If you start to feel nauceaous, lower the dosage or skip a day altogether with it, then take a "normal" dosage, like 100-500 mg. An extremely high dose like 1000-2000 is for when things get extremely uncontrollable and it should only be temporary. It's too much to take regularly. After a day or two you could start to feel naucious from that much, but it will jumpstart the seratonin in your brain to help you relax and control your thoughts, then you can lower it to 500.

2000-3000 mg Vitamine C take 1000 mg 3x a day[/font]
HTP5 - At least 100 mg daily
Vitamine B 8 - (inisitol) - 10-18g per day depending on severity of your OCD (it's alot but take it)
Vitamine B combo vitamine 2 or 3 per day (with B1, B6, B12)[/font]

Essential Omega Fats (with fish oil and flax) take 2-3 per day.[/font]

Results will be notable within a day or two, with the greatest results starting at around 6 weeks of taking these.

Swear off all junk food, all artificial sweetners, all refined white sugar products, all alcohol, eat GOOD NUTRITIOUS FOOD, fresh and frozen vegetables, fruits, unsweetned fruit juice, filtered water or spring water, cut down on caffeine. Going gluetin free is also good but it's not necessary for ever

Please research these things on line yourself as I am not allowed to post URLs on this site. I would have

Please, also understand that you must honor Jesus Christ and trust his shed blood and ressurection fully for salvation. Read the word daily and pray, and live according to biblical principals and this along with proper nutrition, will eliminate spiritual OCD and extreme spiritual fearfulness

Godislove94 · Dec 20, 2013

Hi everyone. Something really weird has been going on with me the past few days and I think it may have something to do with this, but it's really frightening. I feel as if I have no feelings anymore but guilt and fear over sin. Ephesians 5:4 has stuck with me and I feel as if any sort of humor or conversation that isn't about the Bible is sin and God is angry at me for every thought or word that isn't a prayer or preaching. I almost feel like I'm in a dreamlike state most of the time and paranoid about everything. Obedience is seemingly easy, almost robotic. It's almost like I'm being picked apart under a magnifying glass for every little sin I commit. 1 Samuel 15 seems to be the chapter I've been led to because it's put an arrow through my heart. I honestly can't wait until I'm dead so I can't sin anymore. Anyone know what this could be?

rustom · Dec 20, 2013

Godislove94 said:
Hi everyone. Something really weird has been going on with me the past few days and I think it may have something to do with this, but it's really frightening. I feel as if I have no feelings anymore but guilt and fear over sin. Ephesians 5:4 has stuck with me and I feel as if any sort of humor or conversation that isn't about the Bible is sin and God is angry at me for every thought or word that isn't a prayer or preaching. I almost feel like I'm in a dreamlike state most of the time and paranoid about everything. Obedience is seemingly easy, almost robotic. It's almost like I'm being picked apart under a magnifying glass for every little sin I commit. 1 Samuel 15 seems to be the chapter I've been led to because it's put an arrow through my heart. I honestly can't wait until I'm dead so I can't sin anymore. Anyone know what this could be?

Hello,

I believe you have posted in the right place. Your concerns can be deemed "mental" rather than "spiritual".

Don't worry too much about it, you are not the only one. I understand your concern of those Scriptures and with others since I struggle with things like that everyday. I tend to try to make light of situations but sometimes, especially when something is serious, my mouth feels as if it's going to laugh or smile and it makes me anxious.

I don't believe God is watching our every move AND waiting to see if we sin, but remember that God has reconciled Himself with us through our Lord Jesus Christ.

that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting peoples sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
- 2 Conrinthians 5:18

If you believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father and believe in Him and what He has done then God will never leave you and will never forsake you.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
- John 10:10

That is eternal life, kept in the might hand of the Father through Christ which no one and nothing will ever be able to separate.

It's also good that you hunger for righteousness remember as it was said:

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
- Matthew 5:6

For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.
- Galatians 5:5

I am definitely with you - that I don't want to sin, keep steadfast to the hope which we have in Him.
Here is a video that might be edifying for you
Forgiveness - Matt Chandler Sermon Jam - YouTube

I understand the nature of OCD. Even after hearing about the things above, about how much God deeply cares about us, there may be those lingering doubts that still lurk somewhere in our brain. I would recommend seeing a doctor or a Christian Counselor to confirm if you do have OCD (Scrupulosity as its religious side is called) and getting help from them could benefit you.

Finally I want to share something that happened to me this morning (sorry for the long post so far); I woke up feeling depressed, I felt completely unworthy and inadequate. All my failures, my current self and my OCD just made me feel like I'm wasting away. I then prayed and immediately I remembered this Scripture:

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.
- 2 Corinthians 12:9

and it renewed my strength.

Don't give up! Praying for you,
Rustom

Godislove94 · Dec 24, 2013

rustom said:
Hello,

I believe you have posted in the right place. Your concerns can be deemed "mental" rather than "spiritual".

Don't worry too much about it, you are not the only one. I understand your concern of those Scriptures and with others since I struggle with things like that everyday. I tend to try to make light of situations but sometimes, especially when something is serious, my mouth feels as if it's going to laugh or smile and it makes me anxious.

I don't believe God is watching our every move AND waiting to see if we sin, but remember that God has reconciled Himself with us through our Lord Jesus Christ.

that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting peoples sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
- 2 Conrinthians 5:18

If you believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father and believe in Him and what He has done then God will never leave you and will never forsake you.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
- John 10:10

That is eternal life, kept in the might hand of the Father through Christ which no one and nothing will ever be able to separate.

It's also good that you hunger for righteousness remember as it was said:

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
- Matthew 5:6

For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.
- Galatians 5:5

I am definitely with you - that I don't want to sin, keep steadfast to the hope which we have in Him.
Here is a video that might be edifying for you
Forgiveness - Matt Chandler Sermon Jam - YouTube

I understand the nature of OCD. Even after hearing about the things above, about how much God deeply cares about us, there may be those lingering doubts that still lurk somewhere in our brain. I would recommend seeing a doctor or a Christian Counselor to confirm if you do have OCD (Scrupulosity as its religious side is called) and getting help from them could benefit you.

Finally I want to share something that happened to me this morning (sorry for the long post so far); I woke up feeling depressed, I felt completely unworthy and inadequate. All my failures, my current self and my OCD just made me feel like I'm wasting away. I then prayed and immediately I remembered this Scripture:

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me.
- 2 Corinthians 12:9

and it renewed my strength.

Don't give up! Praying for you,
Rustom

Thanks, this helped. Ever since I became a Christian I've been very mentally tense because knowing that God knows everything we do makes me feel like I'm walking on eggshells, not to mention the guilt. I know we need time to rest and recharge, but even in that I'm afraid to let my mind think about anything but God. Also there are some things I enjoy doing that while are not necessarily sinful, but they don't serve any purpose other than me enjoying them. The though that always runs through my head when I feel a desire to do them is "you could be reading your Bible, praying, or doing something else that could strengthen your faith right now". I feel this with many things I do that seem to have no meaning other than personal enjoyment.

JoanOfArcInvestigator · Jan 6, 2014

Mine have been more so of sinning, not loving God enough, being heretical or that if I died I would be damned. I really hate it, I cannot tell what God wants because I am always thinking that I might be mistaking my own will for His. And then I start to think that scruples are good because they keep me from sin and laxness, but I reason that all they do is confound me. But in scruples I say that hating the scruples is slothful and selfish. But that is not true, these thoughts are not meant to bring me closer to God, I think they just like me bound. I know they are wrong but in real life I feel as though I must listen because I do not know scruples from prudence anymore.I have other problems with OCD like with ordering things, numbers, superficial rules and non-religious intrusive thoughts.

God bless every one here and may He help you with your OCD if you have it.

St Therese of Lisieux suffered from scruples, reading her writings may help.

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