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theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

Seems to me like heaven is a V.I.P only club. Only Christians get in. Then why do other religions exist. if god loves us why would he let those other religions form. U can say that god is to big to understand but that makes no difference Love is when you don't care what a person has done you just love them anyway. It kind of disturbs me to think that only Christians get saved and everyone else is screwed. don't say we had a choice either, we never had a choice. God knew what we were going to choose before we were offered the choice. so why bother.

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

theforgottenfallen said:
Seems to me like heaven is a V.I.P only club. Only Christians get in. Then why do other religions exist. if god loves us why would he let those other religions form. U can say that god is to big to understand but that makes no difference Love is when you don't care what a person has done you just love them anyway. It kind of disturbs me to think that only Christians get saved and everyone else is screwed. don't say we had a choice either, we never had a choice. God knew what we were going to choose before we were offered the choice. so why bother.

Just cos God knows what we will choose, doesn't mean we don't have a choice!
I can give my kids a totally free choice between carrots and chocolate - but I know what they'll choose!

God is outside time.
He knows what will happen because He's already seen it - but He didn't make it happen!

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

i know he is all powerful. Thats not what i asked tho im saying if he knows before i make me that im going to hell. then why did he make me so i could go to hell

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

He didn't.
He made you to be with Him in heaven.
And I am praying that I'll see you there!

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

if he made me to go to heaven why am i going to go to hell

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

I don't know!
Why are you?
God certainly doesn't want you to!

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

well i am because i cant believe in him i think. seems like it makes the most sense to me

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

Um..

Think about what you just said...

If you don't believe in God, why do you believe in hell??

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

i do believe in god. i believe something had to create all matter in the universe. But what i cant believe is that he would do what he does. thats all im saying

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

What, specifically does He do that you are struggling with?

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

this may sound wierd but i keep thinking he broke his own commandment. when he flooded the world he killed everyone then turned around and said ok don't kill.

TexasGirl06 · Apr 28, 2007

theforgottenfallen said:
Seems to me like heaven is a V.I.P only club. Only Christians get in. Then why do other religions exist. if god loves us why would he let those other religions form. U can say that god is to big to understand but that makes no difference Love is when you don't care what a person has done you just love them anyway. It kind of disturbs me to think that only Christians get saved and everyone else is screwed. don't say we had a choice either, we never had a choice. God knew what we were going to choose before we were offered the choice. so why bother.

There is only one True God.
This is the God who created the Heavens and the Earth.
This is the God who created you.

This is His play.
He wrote the script.
He gets to decide the rules.

He says that there is only one way to Heaven.
One way: Faith in Him.

Why all the "other religions" ?
Because people think that they know better than God.

Here's the free will again:
People don't like what God says...
people want to do things their way.

Yes, God knows all things.
He can look ahead in time....and know what your choices will be. ...all the way until the end.
So, yes....God already knows if you will choose to follow Him.

Do we know right know whether or not you will follow Him or not.
No.
It is not over, until it is over.
But, when it is over, it is over.

What we do know, is that He loves you.
He created you to be in a relationship with Him.
He has provided a way for you to come to Him, through His Son.

He is giving you a choice.
Choose God,
or... choose your own way. Your own ideas. Your own assumptions. Your own beliefs.

We, the people of God....are here to tell you that God's way is the only way that will work.
God would have us to tell you that Truth.

TexasGirl06 · Apr 28, 2007

theforgottenfallen said:
this may sound wierd but i keep thinking he broke his own commandment. when he flooded the world he killed everyone then turned around and said ok don't kill.

OK. Very fair enough.

But.... let's not put God in the same category as people.
He created us.
He is God.

We don't even come close to being in the same category.

He can do as He wishes, with what He created.

The people that He destroyed in the flood were spitting on his face.
God has every right to destroy them... all.
He is God.

The commandments were for people that He created.

Your questions are very good.
I can tell that you are genuinely seeking Truth.

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

i like your green font. but you just contradicted your self there.

TexasGirl06 · Apr 28, 2007

God knows that I am going to have cake for dessert tonight.

Hmmmm.... should I have cake or dessert?
I have a choice to make.
I have both here at my house.
I can choose either one.

Nobody is making me take one or the other.
I get to choose.
I think I will take cake.

God already knew this.
Because He can see all things....even into the future.

Because He knew ahead of time what choice I will make, does not mean that I do not have a choice.

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

thats exactly what it means. a choice is where you determine what will happen to you. If whats going to happen to you is already decided then the choice was irrelevant.

TexasGirl06 · Apr 28, 2007

theforgottenfallen said:
thats exactly what it means. a choice is where you determine what will happen to you. If whats going to happen to you is already decided then the choice was irrelevant.

Are you referring to predestination?

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

Criada said:
Just cos God knows what we will choose, doesn't mean we don't have a choice!
I can give my kids a totally free choice between carrots and chocolate - but I know what they'll choose!

God is outside time.
He knows what will happen because He's already seen it - but He didn't make it happen!

You still get the choice!

theforgottenfallen · Apr 28, 2007

I know he didnt make it happen. Thats not what im saying, Im saying he knows what we will choose. so there is no point in calling it a choice.

Criada · Apr 28, 2007

Why?

Carrots or chocolate - definitely a choice!

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