Unsaveable?

Ok number one in this whole thing you are entitled to your opinion.

As for thinking the world hates you and all that it doesnt because the world cannot talk to you, the world can not make fun of you, the world itself not the people like Earth the planet cannot hurt you. You are the only one that can do this to yourself. If you think people hate you you probably done something to deserve.

Look, I dont know you and I have no right to judge you nor am I going to but I am going to say something here...You need to respect yourself before others can respect you. From the looks of your age you are only 17 you have your whole life ahead of you. For you to say you got "fixed" no doctor in there mind would fix someone that is not a legal adult. So...please learn to respect yourself as a human being and as a person. Learn to take constructive criticsm and learn to stand up for yourself. Dont be weak just because someone says they dont like your outfit. So ok your not wearing it.

There alot of things to offer in life and hating the planet and all of the people in it is not the answer. The Bible does not talk about God making you have a hard heart. The only person that makes you yourself have a hard heart...Is you. I was born and raised in the church and I know that this world is not right and the things occuring in it are not right but you know what stand up for you and yourself and your family. Because no matter how dark you feel or how down you get you have a God that loves you no matter what, and you have family I am sure that loves you.

Dont take my reply offensively as I mean no harm in it I am just being the straightforward person that I am. If that means you take it offensively then so be it but atleast you know how I feel.

unsaveable said:

Yep, thats me.
I'm not a nice person.. . . .

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You've come on here, many other wouldn't do that, you want truth, answers from God . . . you aren't satisfied that you have heard his answer .. . he says all natural people's hearts are wicked and deceitful, that's why he says we need a "new heart", to be "born again" by receiving His Spirit.

Jesus died of a broken heart on Calvary so that the Spirit could be poured out from Pentecost onwards.

" the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."

You havn't really got God's answer until you receive that.

Must be pretty naive to answer your post. I am here to help people and not be attacked by this.

I dont really want to sit here and argue with you because its not my nature. Think what you want think that you are ugly, think whatever. If you are here for attention you are gonna get it but please take it to some other pitty board ok? Its rediculous. I understand that the world is a bad place and all that. I have lived in it longer than you alright. I am getting defensive because all I tried to do was help you. Thats it. For you to say the only family you have is you...Ok thats cool but please dont attack anything else. I may have a better life than you because I dont think I am ugly. I may not by a model but you know what I am not a cow either. I may not be the skinniest person but I am surely not the fastest. I may not have perfectly straight teeth but there straight. Ok I ACCEPT myself. That is what you dont do. If you did you would not care. If you didnt care this post on this board would of been non-existent. I have news for you the world is not going to change its how it is. If you want it to change you have to change it within yourself. As for Romans look here:

Romans 9:17-18 "For the scripture says to Pharaoh: I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might disply my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. There fore God has mercy on whom he wants and he hardens who he wants to harden"

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I dont see anywhere in that scripture that he hardens our heart. What I see and what I get out of it is that God has brought us to this earth for a purpose and that is to serve him, those who serve him have mercy and those who dont are harden spiritually. But ultimatly you have the choice and that is it!

Do you actually have questions, are you searching for God, or did you come here to vent off steam?
If you have questions, ask away. Nicely.
If you came here to vent off steam - you know where the 'log off' button is.

God has hardened your heart, but you felt compelled to come on a christian website to inform us?

Anyway, this section is for people to ask/seek questions from christians...not to vent off steam. If you have a question, please ask, and maybe someone will answer for ya.

I bet youre glad youre not me.

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Yup …..glad I am not you ………………………..anymore
Where you are, and who you are, is of your own volition ….until you decide you don’t like being who you are ……… you will not change.
But if and when you get to the point that you want to step out of the self-pity and enjoy a new aspect of life, there is an abundance of loving people here to lend you a hand.
We have all been shipwrecked to one degree or another, and we all had to reach out; but it takes a decision …Nobody here is going to change your way of thinking, the ball is in your court, and you decide if you want to continue to live in the despair, distrust, and hatred ……..OR do you want to see what’s behind door # 2 ….never know, you might like it ………..and if you don’t………….. hey, you can always go back to a life of misery.

unsaveable said:

Yep, thats me.
I'm not a nice person.
I do bad things. I hurt myself and others.
Sometimes I do it on purpose, sometimes not.
But I can't change. No meds will do it. Nothing will.
So basically, I'm going to hell.
I've read the Bible. Been told to love Jesus and accept him as my personal saviour, or whatever. It kind of seemed right and nice...when I was about 7 years old. Now I just don't care anymore.
This ugly planet, with ugly people. It's always been ugly. War, famine, murder, hate - it just goes on and on.
That's why I got myself 'fixed' so I can't have kids. Who would want to have kids? Bringing another life into this world. It's a horrible thing to do.
So yeah, I'm pretty much a lost cause.
It's my life, and I'll do what I want with it. I don't have a choice coz god hardens my heart more everday like he says he will (somewhere in Romans, IIRC).
I bet youre glad youre not me.

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Hi unsaveable,

It seems life is throwing you some curveballs. I'm really sorry for that. I think you've come to the right place to start anew though, because often it's during our worst times, that we need God most.

There is however one catche, which is that you need to want to change things. No amount of us answering questions and you posting, will do one iota, if you don't have the will to change and improve things for yourself. So with that said, as the other members above have mentioned this is where you can ask questions, so go ahead, fire away.

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This area of CF is for Non-Christians to ask questions. Please stay on topic.

Thanks.

I do bad things. I hurt myself and others.
Sometimes I do it on purpose, sometimes not.
But I can't change. No meds will do it. Nothing will.

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Jesus can and will if you sincerely give Him half a chance. He's healed and changed people far worse than you, friend.

This ugly planet, with ugly people. It's always been ugly.

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Whether or not you believe me is your choice, but this planet hasn't always been this way. Back in the beginning God created everything perfect. There was no hate, there was no murder, disease, famine, and so on. However, man's actions brought sin into the world, and through sin death, suffering, and depravity entered this creation.

The really good news and hope that we have as children of God is that He promises that He will set this wicked world right and restore it back to how it was in the beginning. Isn't that great?

War, famine, murder, hate - it just goes on and on. That's why I got myself 'fixed' so I can't have kids. Who would want to have kids? Bringing another life into this world. It's a horrible thing to do.

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Heh, I used to think the same way, Why would you want kids? but for different reasons. I guess you wouldn't look at it that way if you were madly in love with someone, but if you did, then the thought that your child could be the light in someone's life that brings them to Christ and the one who makes a difference in this world is a brighter way of looking at it.

So yeah, I'm pretty much a lost cause.
It's my life, and I'll do what I want with it. I don't have a choice coz god hardens my heart more everday like he says he will (somewhere in Romans, IIRC).

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I'll tell you that you are not a "lost cause". You have a life with a destiny. You have a life with a purpose. You are not just on this Earth to live and die. You are here to make a difference in your world.

However, until you choose to make the commitment to Christ, you won't discover the power of God and how it can change the quality of your life.

Whatever you feel about God "hardening your heart" is false, if you truly want to know Him and experience His healing power in your life, then the Bible says that you shall find Him. If you genuinely seek, then you will find. More than that, God wants you to find Him because He loves you that much! Why would God harden your heart if you want to find Him? As Christians, even we have to ignore our feelings at times when they send contradictory notices than what God has revealed in the Bible. If you keep seeking then you'll find Him and He will work in your life beyond measure as you get to know Him more. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

I identify with your feelings about the world and the current condition that it is in. But are you any different if you don't want things to change? How is hating the world going to change people from hating each other? The same just does the same. The world isn't looking for us to be the same as it, it's looking for us to be different. If we want to see change in this world, then we have to be the difference.

unsaveable said:

Yep, thats me.
I'm not a nice person.
I do bad things. I hurt myself and others.
Sometimes I do it on purpose, sometimes not.
But I can't change. No meds will do it. Nothing will.
So basically, I'm going to hell.
I've read the Bible. Been told to love Jesus and accept him as my personal saviour, or whatever. It kind of seemed right and nice...when I was about 7 years old. Now I just don't care anymore.
This ugly planet, with ugly people. It's always been ugly. War, famine, murder, hate - it just goes on and on.
That's why I got myself 'fixed' so I can't have kids. Who would want to have kids? Bringing another life into this world. It's a horrible thing to do.
So yeah, I'm pretty much a lost cause.
It's my life, and I'll do what I want with it. I don't have a choice coz god hardens my heart more everday like he says he will (somewhere in Romans, IIRC).
I bet youre glad youre not me.

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"... but with God nothing is impossible". God has turned around harder cases than you.

unsaveable said:

Yep, thats me.
I'm not a nice person.
I do bad things. I hurt myself and others.
Sometimes I do it on purpose, sometimes not.
But I can't change. No meds will do it. Nothing will.
So basically, I'm going to hell.
I've read the Bible. Been told to love Jesus and accept him as my personal saviour, or whatever. It kind of seemed right and nice...when I was about 7 years old. Now I just don't care anymore.
This ugly planet, with ugly people. It's always been ugly. War, famine, murder, hate - it just goes on and on.
That's why I got myself 'fixed' so I can't have kids. Who would want to have kids? Bringing another life into this world. It's a horrible thing to do.
So yeah, I'm pretty much a lost cause.
It's my life, and I'll do what I want with it. I don't have a choice coz god hardens my heart more everday like he says he will (somewhere in Romans, IIRC).
I bet youre glad youre not me.

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You know what?
I'm not naturally a nice person either!
But I am a forgiven person. God has changed me.

Are you here looking for answers?
Because there is only one answer - Jesus.
He knows what you are like.
And He loves you anyway.
He loves you enough to die in agony.
For you.
And He wants to give you a new heart.
He wants to heal all the hurt that you are feeling deep inside.
He will take all the things that you don't think will ever go away!
All you have too do is let Him.

And yes - I am glad I am not you.
Because I could very easily be, if it weren't for Him!

I was you. But God had different plans .....

Since the title to the original post was a question, I'm gonna take a shot at it...

There is not one single person on this entire planet who is unsaveable... including YOU!!

My God is a God of miracles, and believe me, you aren't the toughest one He's had. The Apostle Paul had a career in killing Christians... but he turned out okay.

I think that you will, too, if you let God work...

God Bless you, and I'll be praying for you.

unsaveable,
What would you think of a leader who went out and murdered priests, burned any bible he could find and turned the churches into harlot houses...You would likely think that God wouldn't forgive him...don't you?

Well his name was Manasseh and God did just that. He forgave him. I understand that you have to have been hurt a lot in order to have the feelings that you currently do. You have lashed out in anger at others for the pain you feel which was inflicted by others and maybe even family members.

There is a different way. It is not a wimpy way either. It is the toughest fight you will ever have if you can muster the stregth to ask. You wouldn't have come here if God didn't want to give you a chance somewhere along the way.
You can always E-mail me direct into the box here if you ever wish to swap messages.

You are absolutely right about the world being ugly and awful and nasty. It gets worse every day.

If I didn't have my Savior to help me deal with it all, I don't know what I would do. I honestly don't know how unbelievers can even watch the news.

God didn't put us here to play a game with us. It's our own fault that we are so rotten to each other and druin all that God gave us. But He does change a person so that you want to make your world better, by being a light for all the darkness.

And wow...the horrors of today are nothing compared with the greatness of tomorrow. On the days when my heart breaks over the evil that men do, I have to remember that in God's kingdom all that nastiness will not exist.

After reading your post.. I almost see it as a challenge to God... as if He is incapable of saving certain types of sinners.
So you've realised that you're a sinner? EUREKA! This is exactly the position you must first be in for God to reach you. The harder cases are folk who don't think there is anything wrong with them. They feel that they are made righteous by their own deeds. They have a sort of "I am my own god/savior" mentality as if their salvation was dependant on them. It is not my friend. It is about who God is, it is about His love for us, His cross, where He substituted Himself for us... took on our punishment, our ugliness - buried & conquered all of it so that we could be reconciled unto Him. You are giving yourself far too much credit while at the same time minimizing the power of an almighty God who has already finished the work of salvation on the cross for you.
Please consider the following parable that Jesus taught during His historic ministry here among us.
Luke 18:9-14
Also, to some who were relying on their own righteousness and looking down on everyone else, he told this parable: "Two men went up to the Temple to pray,one a Pharisee and the other a tax-collector The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself, "O God! I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - greedy, dishonest, immoral, or like this tax-collector! I fast twice a week, I pay tithes on my entire income.... But the tax-collector, standing far off, would not even raise his eyes toward heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God! Have mercy on me, sinner that I am! I tell you, this man went down to his home right with God rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but everyone who humbles himself will be exalted."

"Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord.. shall be saved."

Jesus didn't come to make bad men good, He came to make dead men live. But it is His doing, so you have to give up this idea that it has anything to do with you.
Faith is not found in you or in me but in all that He is.
Do you see?

I will be praying for you... not because I'm a good
person but because of who He is to me.

If you could not be saved, I don't think you'd be posting this. The truth of the Bible is that Jesus doesn't deny ANYONE who comes to Him.

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away." - John 6:37

unsaveable,
(((Hugs))) I remember a time when I too thought I was unsaveable. Thank the Lord, He didn't feel that way! He forgave me for my anger, my rage, my addictions. He saw all that and Loved me anyway! He forgave me of all the times that I spurned Him and laughed at the Gospel. Just know, that He is there, waiting for you too!