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I have a question. Seeing as this different state idea is based upon trying to make reality fit a literal Biblical interpretation, how do you know that the Bible has always been the same?
I don't need to.
Things stay the same unless something changes them,
We have absolutely no reason to believe that the past was the same. All history and experience of man screams out that there is more.We have absolutely no reason to believe that the past was any different,
My claim is proven. Evidenced. Demonstrated right here. Science depends on and assumes that the present is the key to the past. No proof exists for that notion. You fail to provide any. You are a demo.You are the one making the claim, dad. Ever hear of a little thing called "burden of proof"? it's sitting squarely on your shoulders, not mine.
Have a rest. Your imagination is over excited.the science monster has eaten you up and spat you out. You just don't realise it because you're looking at your own script.
We will all look at it. Post it.I have plenty. The fact you refuse to look at it does not mean it doesn't exist.
Lie. No present nature in the far past was supported here. Mentioning decay as if it existed in the past means squat without evidence.I have done it many times. Like I said before, you cover your eyes so you can pretend it doesn't exist, much like a scared child afraid of the dark.
Tell us then, since you seem to feel you are the brightest light on the block...Then you are completely ignorant of how science works and you are not qualified in any way whatsoever to call it into question.
Unless they are known to be correct, science is sidelined. What anyone else knows or suspects is after the fact.How is it that you know these claims are wrong?
Unless they are known to be correct, science is sidelined. What anyone else knows or suspects is after the fact.
In my opinion, since they belief based models of so called science have rendered the universe creatorless, meaningless, dark, and physical only as our earth state is at the moment, they are irrelevant.
Any accurate model will include the spiritual, and not be based on fishbowl thinking and concepts.
I doubt that earth laws and forces and light and space exist across the universe. Anyone have proof they do?
Your doubts are meaningless blather -- every time you open your mouth, poof slushes out.Your doubts are meaningless blather -- every time you open your mouth, proof slushes out.
Any reason you make erroneous claims...never mind. It's what you do.Any reason you chose to misrepresent the facts in your thread title -- on second thought, don't bother.
How does science know they are right? They don't. So, we measure tham against records of that unknown past state...and the DSP rules.So, how is it that you know that those claims are wrong?
dad said:How does science know they are right? They don't. So, we measure tham against records of that unknown past state...and the DSP rules.
The records of the bible cover the old world, and cover things about the nature of stars even. You may chose to NOT know as is the case or look at what evidences man does have.
You didn't answer my question. How do you know that the Bible has always been the same?
How do you know that God has always been the same?
Hey, how often could it change? But seriously, if 1/3 of the angels fell, how 'same' would it be? You think God isn't cool and doesn't like changes? Hey, the universe will change.How do you know that the spiritual world has always been the same?
Show me how I work on a same state past foundation???? You seem to be slipping.You're working on the same assumptions that you attack science for.
Show us what claim, and what supports it? Then we can check your workSo, how is it that you know that those claims are wrong?
My claim is proven. Evidenced. Demonstrated right here. Science depends on and assumes that the present is the key to the past. No proof exists for that notion. You fail to provide any. You are a demo.
We will all look at it. Post it.
Lie. No present nature in the far past was supported here. Mentioning decay as if it existed in the past means squat without evidence.
Tell us then, since you seem to feel you are the brightest light on the block...
Magical? Is that what you call all things that are not under your present state nose?Ah yes! Your wonderful, magical evidence, which you have never produced! You've done nothing more than say things loudly and spout vague claims that say nothing.
Lie. There is and was no same state past proof presented. Not here. Not anywhere. Ever..I have many times. You didn't look at it then, and I have no reason to think you'll look at it now.
False. What we see we do not know what caused.The evidence is that we can see the effects that such decay caused.
Example???? Name something you see!!!!???And what we see could only have occured if it decayed in the past the same way it decays today.
Show me how I work on a same state past foundation???? You seem to be slipping.
When was that?? 1611? Tell us what do you think magically changed since then??You assume that the Bible has always said the same thing (since its completion).
If you assume that the past can be different, this applies to everything, from the laws of physics to words on a page.
When was that?? 1611? Tell us what do you think magically changed since then??
No. It applies to laws on earth since 4400 years ago. Real time.
If you are building up to a point through some side door, get to it. You claim God allowed His word to be 'corrupted'? When and where?The Bible has been around since long before 1611, you should know that. I'm guessing that your attempt to dodge the question means that you can't prove that the Bible hasn't been corrupted or changed?
What you call magic is another man's science. If God changes creation as He will do, according to His Own word, then it gets changed, call it anything you want. Present physical laws and science will have and did have diddly squat to do with it!No, it applies to everything. If some things can magically change, then all things can potentially magically change. You don't get to pick and choose.
If you are building up to a point through some side door, get to it. You claim God allowed His word to be 'corrupted'? When and where?
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