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I doubt that earth laws and forces and light and space exist across the universe. Anyone have proof they do?
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I doubt they do.I doubt that earth laws and forces and light and space exist across the universe. Anyone have proof they do?
I might agree if I thought the universe was expanding. That all depends on redshift. (basically) Blue and redshift depend on C (light or earth state light). So expansion is based upon the speed and nature of light in the unknown deep space being what it is here.I doubt they do.
The Bible speaks of God having stretched the universe, but notice this:
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
The verb is past tense -- as if it is already done; yet Doppler & Hubble confirm that the universe is still expanding.
So how do we reconcile this?
Easily -- I take it God stretched the universe to what it actually is, and He did so in a moment of time; much, much, much faster than the speed of light, so that now the physical universe is expanding into this void.
Boyle's Law should confirm this -- (I think).
I doubt that earth laws and forces and light and space exist across the universe. Anyone have proof they do?
That's nothing more than scientists showing their true colors.The reason I started the thread was because I posted in an astronomy forum, and came upon mods that were evo pit bulls, and it looked like fair discussion would be impossible.
Yes. Amazing to me. Like teachers trying to keep kids in the dark...and ban any voices that want to look at what is really known.That's nothing more than scientists showing their true colors.
Here at CF, scientists have to put on an air of tolerance* toward us Christians -- but outside, in Egypt, their true colors show.
* Usually they get around that 'filter' by hiding their ridicule behind question marks.
Things stay the same unless something causes them to change. Unless you can demonstrate something that would change the laws of physics, the only logical conclusion is that they remain the same.
In the case of the far far far away universe, in order to keep things the same, they need to be the same to start with. This is a thread to explore whether we know that. I must admit, with spectral lines, and various bits of info man does have, it would be easy to jump to the conclusion that all is the same. However, God is in the details.
There is nothing to suggest that the laws of physics have ever changed.
There is nothing to suggest that the laws of physics have existed at all as we know them.There is nothing to suggest that the laws of physics have ever changed.
There is nothing to suggest that the laws of physics have existed at all as we know them.
The lack of things that would change the laws of physics suggest that the laws of physics did not change.
False, as in the above experiment. You should not expect evidence in the fishbowl for anything else but how life is there now.In this case, absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence.
That is only assumed. What you are really seeing is likely far far different than what you thought. This thread is about what we really know.We've can physically see back in time by looking further and further away, and everything has been following the laws of physics as we know it.
No more than the fish.If something had changed, we would see it.
What if I came up with a bible quote?There is nothing to suggest that the laws of physics have existed at all as we know them.
Ha, Ha, HA! Nothing we see is true. Only dad the Prophet knows, and he ain't tell'in!So, when you look out in space, remember that. You thought gravity caused lensing effect??? Think again. You thought that ammonia out there had to be in our state, or light or anything?? Think again. You thought space was the same? Ha.
How do you know there are stars out there, dad? Maybe you thought there were stars out there but they isn't! HA! And you thought you knew there were stars!It's all a temporary 'illusion' in a sense. Oh, there are stars etc out there, but how far away we don't know. How big..? Nope. Composition? Nope. Distance? Nope. You don't know what you thought you knew.
What evidence? Oh yeah... dad's bible blather.--subject to evidence of course
...and?What if I came up with a bible quote?
How about this one?
James 1:17 "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."
Give science some credit. Even the bible mentions stars.How do you know there are stars out there, dad? Maybe you thought there were stars out there but they isn't! HA! And you thought you knew there were stars!
Well, that quote was regarding actual scientific evidence that may come, or that may exist, regarding whether the same laws apply far far away or not, but we haven't seen it raised on the blather network here yet.What evidence? Oh yeah...
. . If at least one doesn't show up soon, I might do their work for them.
I doubt that earth laws and forces and light and space exist across the universe. Anyone have proof they do?
No. I am just a little man. But I do have a little brain. And it is capable of looking at claims and their basis..to some extent. The standard model is hairy fairy tales.I'll ask you the same question I've asked you many times before...
Have you got any testable evidence that the laws are different in other parts of the universe?
Well then, here we go.We would all love to see that, dad! You actually coming up with answers for a change, instead of just scoffing at your betters?
Firstly, you have no idea whatsoever what was changed to leave us with current laws. Remember it was not a change IN our laws
There is a thought experiment that can illustrate the concept.
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False, as in the above experiment. You should not expect evidence in the fishbowl for anything else but how life is there now.
Your experiment merely demonstrates that the only way that a change could have happened and left no evidence is if an entirely new universe was created. If that's the case then you could potentially be right, but our fishbowl has remained the same. We haven't made any conclusions beyond it.
If the conditions of the fishbowl had changed (which is what we are actually discussing here), you could find signs that this had happened. You're talking about a different fishbowl.
That is only assumed. What you are really seeing is likely far far different than what you thought. This thread is about what we really know.
Likely? That is only assumed. What we are really seeing is likely events that happened in the past which was subject to the same laws as the present. That is where the evidence points - if something caused the universe to change then you're going to have to demonstrate it.
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