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Do you kill other people's children?
Have you read the entire chapter?I realize there is a distinction being made between God's creation and God's children.
John 1:12 says, "Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--"
However, I believe that ultimately all creation will carry the title of God's children, as it is promised in Romans 8:19-23:
"All creation, which now groans, shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into glorious liberty of the children of God" Romans 8:19-23
A relative few are called "children of God" at this juncture, but, ultimately, everyone will be ushered into this category.
Yet again from Corinthians....
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)
The word of God always reminds us that all men are subject to the will of God....notice how Christ will not reign forever in verse 25....so that he can full fill verse 24.......
It is amazing what you can pick up on when you respect the word of God.....yet how many people really do.
Notice how even the order of the Salvation of all men is listed.....
Have you read the entire chapter?
There is great detail on those who have the SPIRIT of God - being redeemed. This is about those who are saved - I'm not seeing the lost here.
Plus, you still haven't reconciled Mat. 7:21-23 which emphatically says Jesus tells them to depart from Him, He didn't know them. (amongst others - if those are told to depart -those who claim to know God & do works in His name, what do we make of the unrepentant who stay in their rebellion & sin?
If the ones Jesus is telling to leave Him are "lawless", what of those who stay in sin?)
Not really.
You aren't answering MY questions here Chaela."All creation, which now groans, shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into glorious liberty of the children of God" Romans 8:19-23
"All creation," Nadiine, "all creation". Scripture is not going to argue with itself. However it may seem elsewhere, it's pretty plain that, in the end, all creation will be delivered, and enjoy the liberty of God's children.
SpiritDriven said:The word of God always reminds us that all men are subject to the will of God....notice how Christ will not reign forever in verse 25....so that he can full fill verse 24.......
It is interesting to note that Christ is not going to take forever to perfect all things.....which is the reason why he does not have to reign forever......
"All creation, which now groans, shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into glorious liberty of the children of God" Romans 8:19-23
"All creation," Nadiine, "all creation". Scripture is not going to argue with itself. However it may seem elsewhere, it's pretty plain that, in the end, all creation will be delivered, and enjoy the liberty of God's children.
Exactly, thank you. I just don't see how it's supportive by using that verse when you read the entire chapter's descriptions.Hi Chaela,
The context of this passage does not help you because it simply does not support universalism. Please read further into the chapter. Mainly verses 36-39.
Exactly, thank you. I just don't see how it's supportive by using that verse when you read the entire chapter's descriptions.
Kinda like the "lake of fire" is found throughout the ENTIRE BIBLE.
No wonder the original council almost left it out. Too much confusion.
So God had a false doctrine let into the Bible to mislead us all?Kinda like the "lake of fire" is found throughout the ENTIRE BIBLE.
No wonder the original council almost left it out. Too much confusion.
So God had a false doctrine let into the Bible to mislead us all?
And you think it should of just been yanked out becuz it isn't mentioned elsewhere enough? (while you believe in a doctrine that doesn't HAVE any specfic verses that show people getting released from punishment to be restored to eternal life anywhere)???
I have MORE to rely on than you do becuz mine is at least in there.
But this would be the reason the lake of fire passages remain in Revelation:
Rev 22
A Warning
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This would be strong incentive for me not to tamper with Revelation. And if it's error, why is it in a book that God warns not to add or detract from specifically?
It's the only book God gives a warning in.
God wouldn't allow that. He is not the author of confusion.
Guess not.You just don't get it, do you?
OK. I'd say so, too.My Father is the head of a loving Family.
Those kids down the block have a tyrant for a father, who abuses them and ends up killing them.
But you've said your father doesn't care about them. Why would they?Unless some of them escape to be adopted by my Father, they will die in their captive state.
I don't understand how the war metaphor and the parent metaphor work together. I give birth to kids and give them up to mean, cruel enemies. How do you call such a parent loving?This is a spiritual war.
Then WHY "ALL" the confusion? Over a little word like "ALL"
You are saying it doesn't mean ALL, but "some"...By definition alone, this is confusion. You take scripture that speaks plain English, translated from PLAIN GREEK, and make it something it isn't. Not some dump outside of Jerusalem, translated in English to mean a fiery lake inferno, where billions of people will be slaughtered by the Holiest of Holies, according to the doctrines of some in this place called "hell".
They don't even know when the book of Revelation was even written, and can at best, guess. But guess only when it suits your brand of doctrines, of course. Don't count those Jews who died in 70AD, and had their bodies burned outside the gates, in the actual Gehenna. Of course it couldn't mean that now, could it? That wouldn't be a judgment, no different than what happened at Sodom, would it? Kinda like the one Jesus TOLD them was going to happen?
Oh well, maybe not. Guess with ALL this confusion, we shall just have to sift out the wheat from the tares....the Truth from the Lies.
Keep searching, it is there
Although I'm not quite sure what it is you think God wouldn't allow, it's quite interesting to me how easily you dismiss someone else's post on the basis of one phrase taken from a Bible verse about God's nature. Yet you heap ridicule on those who say God really wants to and can eventually save all humans, referring to verses in a bit more detail than you have.God wouldn't allow that. He is not the author of confusion.
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