Unite around Trump's State of the Union speech possibly??

PeachyKeane · Jan 31, 2018

Quick show of hands, who here really wants unity and bi-partisanship?

HannahT · Jan 31, 2018

Belk said:
I think a reasonable compromise could be reached if they could settle Trump down.

What would be reasonable? Remember Congress makes the laws - not Trump. They would to come to him with the reasonable compromise. They haven't done it yet.

lol I think we are placing the cart before the horse here! Congress needs to grow up, and find legislation to present. This 'all or nothing' attitude that both have? I see other groups that need to settle down to find that compromise to settle down Trump with - if you will.

This is to important for Congress's game here. It unfairly effects to many lifes, and I don't need to see their drama. The country needs to see their action.

cow451 · Jan 31, 2018

Rion said:
Doesn't his wife or daughter write his SOTU speeches for him?

The First Lady was not very enthusiastic in applauding.

Fantine · Jan 31, 2018

I, too, want our country to unite, and as the consensus grows that our government is in the wrong hands--in the executive branch and both Houses of Congress--hopefully we will unite for widespread change in November, with a new president in 2020.

HannahT · Jan 31, 2018

PeachyKeane said:
Quick show of hands, who here really wants unity and bi-partisanship?

I do! The country works better as a whole when you have some reasonable natures. We work better when we have two strong parties! We have two fractured ones now.

People get so caught up in mannerisms that they don't even completely understand the what is what with the policies that are important.

The media and many of the drama queen politicians use mannerisms to divert from the fact they don't wish to do their job. They want to use the reactions to the mannerisms as cover.

I can deal with the ugly mannerisms if the policies bring hope that jobs will soon come - and decent wages and benefits are offered. That brings hope to many that have lost their hope a long time ago.

I can deal with mannerisms that that turn me off if we can do prison reform, and give people a second chance at life. I mean they won't return to crime, and that will not only benefit THEM but those that love them. I want them to have HOPE, and not hopelessness.

I mean the list could go on.

Yes, I want some type of unity and bipartisanship so we can accomplish something. The idiots in the media and the nutters on both sides have had their day stirring the drama so they don't have to do much except gain more power and money. I want the country to have a turn now. They/We need a turn at power and money to lift everyone UP, and learn to see HOPE again.

Yet, no doubt they will use the 'whataboutism' because they were done WRONG in the past. Get out of the past, and work on our futures. It's their jobs afterall!

Belk · Jan 31, 2018

HannahT said:
What would be reasonable? Remember Congress makes the laws - not Trump. They would to come to him with the reasonable compromise. They haven't done it yet.

I though they had prior to the shutdown? Then Trump had freaked out even though he had claimed he would accept any deal? Am I remembering incorrectly?

HannahT said:
lol I think we are placing the cart before the horse here! Congress needs to grow up, and find legislation to present. This 'all or nothing' attitude that both have? I see other groups that need to settle down to find that compromise to settle down Trump with - if you will.

This is to important for Congress's game here. It unfairly effects to many lifes, and I don't need to see their drama. The country needs to see their action.

We are in agreement there. This pettiness on both sides is getting us no where. The whole system is designed around compromise.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 31, 2018

I don't think any of the ideas in the speech itself were all that controversial. The nation's become polarized enough that some people will claim to reject it simply based on who gave the speech, same occurred under Obama.

A person with some bad ideas can still give a speech that only touches on positive themes.

DZoolander · Jan 31, 2018

PeachyKeane said:
Quick show of hands, who here really wants unity and bi-partisanship?

I'd like to see political parties abolished. The tribal way of thinking that our two party system creates is the biggest problem we have in our country right now, IMHO.

HannahT · Jan 31, 2018

Belk said:
I though they had prior to the shutdown? Then Trump had freaked out even though he had claimed he would accept any deal? Am I remembering incorrectly?

Actually, no they didn't. That is where people are getting confused. I don't know HOW the confusion started though.

Everyone knew from the beginning that items besides DACA would have to be addressed in the bill. It was never going to be a one single item deal. These types of things never are.

What they did do is start talks. Huge legislation like this doesn't take a week, and we don't want it too. lol look at the history of laws that were put in place in a hurry! It never turned out to well.

What we saw was a couple of government reps claim they have the fix, and went in front of cameras to claim the fix is here! What they didn't have was any type of agreement from the group. They also didn't have anything written up.

When is the last time government took one meeting to talk about an major issue, and a couple of them wrote something down in a simplistic manner - and lol had both sides of government VOTE to pass it? Not in my lifetime! lol to throw in some sarcasm here - maybe a century or so ago?

It was a good show for the cameras, and I have no doubt those parties were sincere. Yet, our government has never worked that way.

I want them to do this right! There is to much at risk for them NOT to do this right. This country - and more importantly - these young adults have to much on the line here. It's not fair to them if we rush this, and really do an awful job....because someone demanded it be done in a week.

Fantine · Jan 31, 2018

if you want bipartisanship you need to even out the proportion between Democrats and Republicans. Right now Republicans hold 99% of the cards. They'll never compromise that way.

KCfromNC · Jan 31, 2018

majj27 said:
I wonder how hard Kelly is working trying to hide the phone this morning.

A noble sacrifice. His own personal Vietnam, so to speak.

wing2000 · Jan 31, 2018

HannahT said:
That's how the political ball crumbles.

DACA isn't going to get done with nothing in return. That's just the reality of it.

80% of the people do want the DACA to be solved, but that isn't the only issue within that realm they want fixed. They didn't care for the government being shut down over them either. They want the immigration circumstance fixed, and do NOT want to visit a DACA similar circumstance in the future.

...and the reality is Trump will not get his "Four Pillars" by early February.

DACA for Border Security funds is doable...

Apologetic_Warrior · Jan 31, 2018

Mountainmanbob said:
All that we of this house heard during the speech was, let's come together people and unite but, I'm sure some others took something else away from it.

As I predicted around eight months ago DACA ones came up. I have known for a while that Trump will be taking care of them.

Nancy Pelosi and quite a few Democrats had some nasty snarling looks on their faces. Par for the course for ones that want to obstruct anything good that Trump tries to achieve.

M-Bob

He surprised me because he did not come out in the usual abrasive form that well so many of us have come to expect. I was moved by it, brought tears to my eyes a couple of times. Although it had a bit more economic content than I would have preferred, it is still one of the best State of the Union speeches I've heard in my short lifetime and remembrance of political speeches. Sean Hannity made comparisons with Ronald Regan, I wouldn't know, not old enough to remember. I think it really brings it home to the average American when a President brings in real examples pertaining to the issues, it makes more of an impression, and makes for a memorable speech.

HannahT · Feb 1, 2018

wing2000 said:
...and the reality is Trump will not get his "Four Pillars" by early February.

DACA for Border Security funds is doable...

That's very possible he won't. Again - that's politics. Ask for the moon and see what you can get.

TLK Valentine · Feb 1, 2018

Apologetic_Warrior said:
He surprised me because he did not come out in the usual abrasive form that well so many of us have come to expect.

Donald can sound quite presidential when he stays on script.

I was moved by it, brought tears to my eyes a couple of times. Although it had a bit more economic content than I would have preferred, it is still one of the best State of the Union speeches I've heard in my short lifetime and remembrance of political speeches

I was no fan of George W. Bush, but find his SOTU from Sep. 20, 2001 -- yes, right after 9/11 -- and you'll be moved.

Sean Hannity made comparisons with Ronald Regan, I wouldn't know, not old enough to remember.

I remember Reagan -- liked the man; not a fan of his politics -- and I assure you, Donald is no Reagan, no matter how much he (and the rest of the GOP) wants to be.

I think it really brings it home to the average American when a President brings in real examples pertaining to the issues, it makes more of an impression, and makes for a memorable speech.

It's that folksy charm that brings in the hoi polloi... Reagan, Clinton, and Bush II were good at that -- Bush I and Obama... not so much.

HannahT · Feb 1, 2018

Fantine said:
if you want bipartisanship you need to even out the proportion between Democrats and Republicans. Right now Republicans hold 99% of the cards. They'll never compromise that way.

Could be. Although, since both parties seem to be fractured? I'm not sure what would happen even if it was equal. I honestly don't remember seeing both parties so fractured prior.

Now you have four or more groups that need to come together.

Fantine · Feb 1, 2018

I suppose Trump's speeches are memorable. Lots of repetition, a Dr. Seuss-level vocabulary. Put together some tweets, some stock phrases, sprinkle with insults. If I didn't tune out in disgust, I could probably remember them, stultifying in their sameness, pretty well.

majj27 · Feb 1, 2018

HannahT said:
Could be. Although, since both parties seem to be fractured? I'm not sure what would happen even if it was equal. I honestly don't remember seeing both parties so fractured prior.

Now you have four or more groups that need to come together.

Since the rise of the "Never Compromise Ever" idea, it's become really hard to get things done at all without an unstoppable majority. If a chunk of your own party will dig in it's heels at any attempt to compromise, you need the other party to join you, which is made harder of a segment of *their* group also refuses to compromise.

It's a nasty little cycle.

variant · Feb 1, 2018

Speeches are just words. If Trump wants to unite the country he's going to have to do something other than only appeal to his hard line base with policy.

The issue of DACA is only one instance, he has been sabotaging all negotiations since he became President.

jgarden · Feb 2, 2018

Mountainmanbob said:
All that we of this house heard during the speech was, let's come together people and unite but, I'm sure some others took something else away from it.

As I predicted around eight months ago DACA ones came up. I have known for a while that Trump will be taking care of them.

Nancy Pelosi and quite a few Democrats had some nasty snarling looks on their faces. Par for the course for ones that want to obstruct anything good that Trump tries to achieve.

M-Bob

The problem is that this President doesn't believe in the very words and ideas expressed in his own speech!

He wants the Democrats and Republicans to unite in bipartisan efforts, but at the same time deliberately unleashes Devin Nunes, his own personal attack dog, to "cherry-pick" classified FBI material for a controversial "memo" to be released to the public for the express purpose of discrediting the FBI, DOJ and the Mueller Investigation!

By placing his own private agenda over the best interests of the nation, "The Donald" has once again fanned the flames of blatant political partisanship and distrust - bringing any prospects of congressional co-operation for the foreseeable future to a halt!

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