Unclean!, Unclean!, Don't touch me! Your dirty... Unclean!

Neogaia777 · Feb 25, 2017

How many people, who go to church regularly and "say" they have, or have had, a "relationship" with Jesus for quite some time, (most especially)... Or, it seems the longer they have been going to church regularly, and "profess" with their "mouths" (or lips) to be following Jesus Christ, and "profess" to have a close, personal, intimate, relationship with him...?

How many of these people are either "afraid" of, or won't "deal with" and distance themselves from, (some physically), (and most in their hearts, at least), from the very people Jesus loved and "loves the most", and that he did not distance himself from, either, physically, or in his heart...

I'm talking about the "least of these" also the dirtiest and filthiest ones, in any way, physically, sinfully, or "whatever"... How can these people say they are "following Christ" or "doing what he would do." (WWJD) Jesus clearly would not, and proved that he absolutely did not ever do this, or act like this, or be this way at all...

"These people honor me "with their lips", (or with what they profess) but their "hearts" are far removed from me!" (the least, most dirty, most lost, great sinners) (are like him, and he says, is the same as him)...

"If you did it to one of the least of these (or most lost, or the ones most steeped in sin, the most filthy in any way) you did it to me." (including what you did not do, or in the way of avoiding, or rejecting) (these)...

I ran into a couple of Christians, (who meant well), and they tried to witness to me, and I talked with them, and we started to have a good conversation about Christ, they were kind of shocked, when "I" started "telling them" about Christ and about my life and my experiences with Christ, and my pocket Bible I pulled out and showed them that is "always" "on me" wherever I go... It was a man and woman, a couple, and the guy had gloves on and shook my hand, and the woman did not have gloves on, and it was mostly me and the man talking, and she talked some while we were all talking...

Like I said, they meant well, and at least they were "trying", but they wanted to pray for me, and I went to take the man, and then the woman's hand to form a circle, and the woman, who didn't have gloves on, said, "Oh, I don't shake or take hands, and she wanted to touch elbows, putting her elbow up, I humored her, and said nothing and just smiled at her, and then put both of my hands in the man's hand and they prayed for me...

Then afterward I tried to go in for a one arm hug to the man, like men do sometimes, and he took a step back, sending a clear signal that he was not comfortable with that... So, just backed off, smiled at them, and said goodbye to them and wished them a good day...

But, it "did" "bother" me though... I thought afterward, that, the woman should have thought to wear gloves for one, and for another, if they're going to do effective "street ministry" with "street people" they were going to have to get used to risking getting a little "dirty" if they had to...

Anyways, I talked with Jesus about it, and he reminded me that they "meant well", and I kinda said back, "I know, that's why I just smiled and didn't say anything, but just wanted him to take note that it did "bother me"...

I deal with street people all the time, I socialize with them, sometimes give them things, like a dollar or two or a cigarette, or offer to get them a non-alcoholic drink at the store, try to encourage them, listen to them talk about life or whatever, and try to offer some positive encouragement or input/output from me... "Little things" that mean a great deal to them... If an opportunity opens up, share some things about Christ and God with them, but only if they "open the door" to that...

Anyhow, if you want to truly follow Christ, your going to have to be unafraid to risk getting dirty, in any way... I'm a little "dirty" myself, so maybe that's why I don't seem to have this problem...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Feb 25, 2017

Hands are washable, you could always carry hand sanitizer... If your that "phobic" or worried about it... Or, you could have faith that the Lord will not let anything happen to you because of that, and because of what it was, and who it was for...

And "hugs"... What are you so afraid of...? You can always take a shower at home and change or wash your clothes, if your really "that concerned" about it... Some people that you will meet don't have that liberty or ability...

And, it's not physical filthiness but sin or spiritual filthiness as well, what are you so afraid of...? That you'll somehow get "infected"...?

You don't have very much faith then, cause you should have a lot of faith especially in those cases, cause of the reasons and purposes involved in what your doing or trying do... (God's will) (and for the sake, purposes and reasons of "Love")...

God Bless!

Gabriel Anton · Feb 25, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
How many people, who go to church regularly and "say" they have, or have had, a "relationship" with Jesus for quite some time, (most especially)... Or, it seems the longer they have been going to church regularly, and "profess" with their "mouths" (or lips) to be following Jesus Christ, and "profess" to have a close, personal, intimate, relationship with him...?

How many of these people are either "afraid" of, or won't "deal with" and distance themselves from, (some physically), (and most in their hearts, at least), from the very people Jesus loved and "loves the most", and that he did not distance himself from, either, physically, or in his heart...

I'm talking about the "least of these" also the dirtiest and filthiest ones, in any way, physically, sinfully, or "whatever"... How can these people say they are "following Christ" or "doing what he would do." (WWJD) Jesus clearly would not, and proved that he absolutely did not ever do this, or act like this, or be this way at all...

"These people honor me "with their lips", (or with what they profess) but their "hearts" are far removed from me!" (the least, most dirty, most lost, great sinners) (are like him, and he says, is the same as him)...

"If you did it to one of the least of these (or most lost, or the ones most steeped in sin, the most filthy in any way) you did it to me." (including what you did not do, or in the way of avoiding, or rejecting) (these)...

I ran into a couple of Christians, (who meant well), and they tried to witness to me, and I talked with them, and we started to have a good conversation about Christ, they were kind of shocked, when "I" started "telling them" about Christ and about my life and my experiences with Christ, and my pocket Bible I pulled out and showed them that is "always" "on me" wherever I go... It was a man and woman, a couple, and the guy had gloves on and shook my hand, and the woman did not have gloves on, and it was mostly me and the man talking, and she talked some while we were all talking...

Like I said, they meant well, and at least they were "trying", but they wanted to pray for me, and I went to take the man, and then the woman's hand to form a circle, and the woman, who didn't have gloves on, said, "Oh, I don't shake or take hands, and she wanted to touch elbows, putting her elbow up, I humored her, and said nothing and just smiled at her, and then put both of my hands in the man's hand and they prayed for me...

Then afterward I tried to go in for a one arm hug to the man, like men do sometimes, and he took a step back, sending a clear signal that he was not comfortable with that... So, just backed off, smiled at them, and said goodbye to them and wished them a good day...

But, it "did" "bother" me though... I thought afterward, that, the woman should have thought to wear gloves for one, and for another, if they're going to do effective "street ministry" with "street people" they were going to have to get used to risking getting a little "dirty" if they had to...

Anyways, I talked with Jesus about it, and he reminded me that they "meant well", and I kinda said back, "I know, that's why I just smiled and didn't say anything, but just wanted him to take note that it did "bother me"...

I deal with street people all the time, I socialize with them, sometimes give them things, like a dollar or two or a cigarette, or offer to get them a non-alcoholic drink at the store, try to encourage them, listen to them talk about life or whatever, and try to offer some positive encouragement or input/output from me... "Little things" that mean a great deal to them... If an opportunity opens up, share some things about Christ and God with them, but only if they "open the door" to that...

Anyhow, if you want to truly follow Christ, your going to have to be unafraid to risk getting dirty, in any way... I'm a little "dirty" myself, so maybe that's why I don't seem to have this problem...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:
Hands are washable, you could always carry hand sanitizer... If your that "phobic" or worried about it... Or, you could have faith that the Lord will not let anything happen to you because of that, and because of what it was, and who it was for...

And "hugs"... What are you so afraid of...? You can always take a shower at home and change or wash your clothes, if your really "that concerned" about it... Some people that you will meet don't have that liberty or ability...

And, it's not physical filthiness but sin or spiritual filthiness as well, what are you so afraid of...? That you'll somehow get "infected"...?

You don't have very much faith then, cause you should have a lot of faith especially in those cases, cause of the reasons and purposes involved in what your doing or trying do... (God's will) (and for the sake, purposes and reasons of "Love")...

God Bless!

Peace be with you Dear Teacher.

I understand what you are teaching but I want to understand further.

I'll tell you 2 stories. Tell me what you think.

1st Story.
There was a shopkeeper. They were Catholics. His sister was running the shop one day. They had an altar to Jesus and Mary in their shop to show they were religious people.

One day a kid comes in and asked the shopkeeper's sister for some money for drinks. It was a young kid. His sister asked the young kid whether he had a job. The young kid's response was, "Yes, I have a job but I haven't been paid yet and I am thirsty for something sweet to drink so I don't want to drink tap water." The shopkeeper's sister response to the young kid was, "Wait till you get paid then you can buy yourself a sweet drink. Get lost kid."

The next day when the shopkeeper came to his shop, he found that a brick had been thrown into his shop.

2nd Story
There was a Priest who preached well and had a comfortable life filled with people's respect and temporal goods and thought God loved him. One day the Priest went for a walk. A stranger approached the Priest and asked if the Priest could spare $1 out of the kindness of his heart. The Priest's response was, "I don't have any change on me. Sorry." As the Priest walked off, the stranger came up behind him and gave him a good whacking. After whacking the Priest, the stranger proceeded to check the Priest to find out whether the Priest had $1 on him. When he found that the Priest did not have the $1, he proceeded to strip the Priest of his clothes. He then said to the Priest, "This was the least you could have done for me, Priest. Take that to heart."

Matthew 25 Modern English Version (MEV)

41 “Then He will say to those at the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You?’

45 “He will answer, ‘Truly I say to you, as you did it not for one of the least of these, you did it not for Me.’

46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Dear Teacher, do you think Jesus is joking here or serious?

Luke 16 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 There was also a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores, who had been placed at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed the crumbs falling from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

So Dear Teacher, if people ask for help but they look gross and disgusting and smell stinky and repulsive, do we have to help them?

If we don't want to help them, is it their fault for looking and smelling gross and disgusting or is it our fault for being too picky at who we help?

Mother Teresa took care of poor sick people who stunk and looked repulsive. Is this Christ-like behaviour?

Joan of Arc blessed a man who was dying of plague and touched him with her hand to comfort him even when warned by him that he had the plague. Is this Christ-like behaviour?

God bless you, Dear Teacher.

Jim Langston · Feb 25, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
How many people, who go to church regularly and "say" they have, or have had, a "relationship" with Jesus for quite some time, (most especially)... Or, it seems the longer they have been going to church regularly, and "profess" with their "mouths" (or lips) to be following Jesus Christ, and "profess" to have a close, personal, intimate, relationship with him...?

How many of these people are either "afraid" of, or won't "deal with" and distance themselves from, (some physically), (and most in their hearts, at least), from the very people Jesus loved and "loves the most", and that he did not distance himself from, either, physically, or in his heart...

I'm talking about the "least of these" also the dirtiest and filthiest ones, in any way, physically, sinfully, or "whatever"... How can these people say they are "following Christ" or "doing what he would do." (WWJD) Jesus clearly would not, and proved that he absolutely did not ever do this, or act like this, or be this way at all...

"These people honor me "with their lips", (or with what they profess) but their "hearts" are far removed from me!" (the least, most dirty, most lost, great sinners) (are like him, and he says, is the same as him)...

"If you did it to one of the least of these (or most lost, or the ones most steeped in sin, the most filthy in any way) you did it to me." (including what you did not do, or in the way of avoiding, or rejecting) (these)...

I ran into a couple of Christians, (who meant well), and they tried to witness to me, and I talked with them, and we started to have a good conversation about Christ, they were kind of shocked, when "I" started "telling them" about Christ and about my life and my experiences with Christ, and my pocket Bible I pulled out and showed them that is "always" "on me" wherever I go... It was a man and woman, a couple, and the guy had gloves on and shook my hand, and the woman did not have gloves on, and it was mostly me and the man talking, and she talked some while we were all talking...

Like I said, they meant well, and at least they were "trying", but they wanted to pray for me, and I went to take the man, and then the woman's hand to form a circle, and the woman, who didn't have gloves on, said, "Oh, I don't shake or take hands, and she wanted to touch elbows, putting her elbow up, I humored her, and said nothing and just smiled at her, and then put both of my hands in the man's hand and they prayed for me...

Then afterward I tried to go in for a one arm hug to the man, like men do sometimes, and he took a step back, sending a clear signal that he was not comfortable with that... So, just backed off, smiled at them, and said goodbye to them and wished them a good day...

But, it "did" "bother" me though... I thought afterward, that, the woman should have thought to wear gloves for one, and for another, if they're going to do effective "street ministry" with "street people" they were going to have to get used to risking getting a little "dirty" if they had to...

Anyways, I talked with Jesus about it, and he reminded me that they "meant well", and I kinda said back, "I know, that's why I just smiled and didn't say anything, but just wanted him to take note that it did "bother me"...

I deal with street people all the time, I socialize with them, sometimes give them things, like a dollar or two or a cigarette, or offer to get them a non-alcoholic drink at the store, try to encourage them, listen to them talk about life or whatever, and try to offer some positive encouragement or input/output from me... "Little things" that mean a great deal to them... If an opportunity opens up, share some things about Christ and God with them, but only if they "open the door" to that...

Anyhow, if you want to truly follow Christ, your going to have to be unafraid to risk getting dirty, in any way... I'm a little "dirty" myself, so maybe that's why I don't seem to have this problem...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Where is your compassion for germaphobes? Would you try to hug Howie Mandel? I know a lot of people who don't shake hands, they bump fists.

Why is it others have to have compassion for you, but you don't have to have compassion for them?

Neogaia777 · Feb 25, 2017

Gabriel Anton said:
Peace be with you Dear Teacher.

I understand what you are teaching but I want to understand further.

I'll tell you 2 stories. Tell me what you think.

1st Story.
There was a shopkeeper. They were Catholics. His sister was running the shop one day. They had an altar to Jesus and Mary in their shop to show they were religious people.

One day a kid comes in and asked the shopkeeper's sister for some money for drinks. It was a young kid. His sister asked the young kid whether he had a job. The young kid's response was, "Yes, I have a job but I haven't been paid yet and I am thirsty for something sweet to drink so I don't want to drink tap water." The shopkeeper's sister response to the young kid was, "Wait till you get paid then you can buy yourself a sweet drink. Get lost kid."

The next day when the shopkeeper came to his shop, he found that a brick had been thrown into his shop.

2nd Story
There was a Priest who preached well and had a comfortable life filled with people's respect and temporal goods and thought God loved him. One day the Priest went for a walk. A stranger approached the Priest and asked if the Priest could spare $1 out of the kindness of his heart. The Priest's response was, "I don't have any change on me. Sorry." As the Priest walked off, the stranger came up behind him and gave him a good whacking. After whacking the Priest, the stranger proceeded to check the Priest to find out whether the Priest had $1 on him. When he found that the Priest did not have the $1, he proceeded to strip the Priest of his clothes. He then said to the Priest, "This was the least you could have done for me, Priest. Take that to heart."

Matthew 25 Modern English Version (MEV)

41 “Then He will say to those at the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You?’

45 “He will answer, ‘Truly I say to you, as you did it not for one of the least of these, you did it not for Me.’

46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Dear Teacher, do you think Jesus is joking here or serious?

Luke 16 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 There was also a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores, who had been placed at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed the crumbs falling from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

So Dear Teacher, if people ask for help but they look gross and disgusting and smell stinky and repulsive, do we have to help them?

If we don't want to help them, is it their fault for looking and smelling gross and disgusting or is it our fault for being too picky at who we help?

Mother Teresa took care of poor sick people who stunk and looked repulsive. Is this Christ-like behaviour?

Joan of Arc blessed a man who was dying of plague and touched him with her hand to comfort him even when warned by him that he had the plague. Is this Christ-like behaviour?

God bless you, Dear Teacher.

Well, that is the trick isn't it...? I want to help them all, but, I have had to sometimes say "No" also... I follow the promptings in my heart and conscience at the time, most of the time, if it's only a small thing for me, I do, but not always...

And yes, touching or hugging dirty people is Christ-like behavior, like Mother Teresa...

Most of the people I run into, it's not that bad, very few of them stink real bad, or are very repulsive, except for maybe mildly...

Most of them are not going to attack you or throw a brick through your window if you say "No" either, those would just be very exceptional cases... Most of them, "most" are quite loving and kind and most of them have a good heart...

Follow your heart and The Holy Spirits promptings and your conscience...

And, "Teacher"...? Don't know if I'm at that "level", I consider myself a student, most of the time...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Feb 25, 2017

Jim Langston said:
Where is your compassion for germaphobes? Would you try to hug Howie Mandel? I know a lot of people who don't shake hands, they bump fists.

Why is it others have to have compassion for you, but you don't have to have compassion for them?

The Lord basically was trying to say the same thing to me, as your saying to me right now, that I went into a bit in my OP...

He reminded me that they were "trying" and at least making an effort and meant well, trying to stir up my compassionate side for them... I get it... That's why I just smiled and didn't say anything and still was kind to them, and still carried on the conversation with them...

I just don't see why she didn't wear gloves, (cause it was cold) or carry hand sanitizer, so she could shake hands though... That's what I would have done...

God Bless!

Poppyseed78 · Feb 25, 2017

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SistrNChrist · Feb 26, 2017

I honestly wouldn't be too upset about the fact that some people aren't comfortable holding hands with or hugging you, because some people just aren't comfortable with having their personal space invaded by those they just met. I know I'm like that...if we've been friends for a long time, then I'm fine with physical contact, but if we just met, I wouldn't be too willing to give hugs or handshakes to you until I got to know you better.

Neogaia777 · Feb 26, 2017

SistrNChrist said:
I honestly wouldn't be too upset about the fact that some people aren't comfortable holding hands with or hugging you, because some people just aren't comfortable with having their personal space invaded by those they just met. I know I'm like that...if we've been friends for a long time, then I'm fine with physical contact, but if we just met, I wouldn't be too willing to give hugs or handshakes to you until I got to know you better.

Why...?

If our love is perfect, then we should be able to shake hands or give hugs to a stranger, shouldn't we...?

Is there some kind of criteria I would have to meet before you would give me a hug...?

Oh, I understand the discomfort, I feel it, I share it... But, I try to "get over it" for the sake of love...

God Bless!

ToBeLoved · Feb 27, 2017

I think there is something that we need to be respectful about which is the other person's personal boundaries, but I also think that the OP brings up a good point that to love each other and the least of these is to show love for and to Christ. We do need to watch that we do not think too much ouf ourselves so much that we begin to think ourselves better than others.

So I can see both sides of this one.

SistrNChrist · Feb 27, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
Why...?

If our love is perfect, then we should be able to shake hands or give hugs to a stranger, shouldn't we...?

Is there some kind of criteria I would have to meet before you would give me a hug...?

Oh, I understand the discomfort, I feel it, I share it... But, I try to "get over it" for the sake of love...

God Bless!

It's nothing about you or anyone else personally, it's just that I've always been very uncomfortable with having my personal space invaded, and it tends to take some time until I'm comfortable enough with you to really get up close and personal. And I do feel that part of being a good witness is respecting the other person's boundaries.

Jim Langston · Feb 27, 2017

ToBeLoved said:
I think there is something that we need to be respectful about which is the other person's personal boundaries, but I also think that the OP brings up a good point that to love each other and the least of these is to show love for and to Christ. We do need to watch that we do not think too much ouf ourselves so much that we begin to think ourselves better than others.

So I can see both sides of this one.

And that is true discernment, being able to see both sides.

In a perfect world, she would shake the OP's hand. In a perfect world, the OP would not mind if she did not. This is not a perfect world, we can only try to do our part.

miknik5 · Mar 5, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
How many people, who go to church regularly and "say" they have, or have had, a "relationship" with Jesus for quite some time, (most especially)... Or, it seems the longer they have been going to church regularly, and "profess" with their "mouths" (or lips) to be following Jesus Christ, and "profess" to have a close, personal, intimate, relationship with him...?

How many of these people are either "afraid" of, or won't "deal with" and distance themselves from, (some physically), (and most in their hearts, at least), from the very people Jesus loved and "loves the most", and that he did not distance himself from, either, physically, or in his heart...

I'm talking about the "least of these" also the dirtiest and filthiest ones, in any way, physically, sinfully, or "whatever"... How can these people say they are "following Christ" or "doing what he would do." (WWJD) Jesus clearly would not, and proved that he absolutely did not ever do this, or act like this, or be this way at all...

"These people honor me "with their lips", (or with what they profess) but their "hearts" are far removed from me!" (the least, most dirty, most lost, great sinners) (are like him, and he says, is the same as him)...

"If you did it to one of the least of these (or most lost, or the ones most steeped in sin, the most filthy in any way) you did it to me." (including what you did not do, or in the way of avoiding, or rejecting) (these)...

I ran into a couple of Christians, (who meant well), and they tried to witness to me, and I talked with them, and we started to have a good conversation about Christ, they were kind of shocked, when "I" started "telling them" about Christ and about my life and my experiences with Christ, and my pocket Bible I pulled out and showed them that is "always" "on me" wherever I go... It was a man and woman, a couple, and the guy had gloves on and shook my hand, and the woman did not have gloves on, and it was mostly me and the man talking, and she talked some while we were all talking...

Like I said, they meant well, and at least they were "trying", but they wanted to pray for me, and I went to take the man, and then the woman's hand to form a circle, and the woman, who didn't have gloves on, said, "Oh, I don't shake or take hands, and she wanted to touch elbows, putting her elbow up, I humored her, and said nothing and just smiled at her, and then put both of my hands in the man's hand and they prayed for me...

Then afterward I tried to go in for a one arm hug to the man, like men do sometimes, and he took a step back, sending a clear signal that he was not comfortable with that... So, just backed off, smiled at them, and said goodbye to them and wished them a good day...

But, it "did" "bother" me though... I thought afterward, that, the woman should have thought to wear gloves for one, and for another, if they're going to do effective "street ministry" with "street people" they were going to have to get used to risking getting a little "dirty" if they had to...

Anyways, I talked with Jesus about it, and he reminded me that they "meant well", and I kinda said back, "I know, that's why I just smiled and didn't say anything, but just wanted him to take note that it did "bother me"...

I deal with street people all the time, I socialize with them, sometimes give them things, like a dollar or two or a cigarette, or offer to get them a non-alcoholic drink at the store, try to encourage them, listen to them talk about life or whatever, and try to offer some positive encouragement or input/output from me... "Little things" that mean a great deal to them... If an opportunity opens up, share some things about Christ and God with them, but only if they "open the door" to that...

Anyhow, if you want to truly follow Christ, your going to have to be unafraid to risk getting dirty, in any way... I'm a little "dirty" myself, so maybe that's why I don't seem to have this problem...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Thank you

ToBeLoved · Mar 6, 2017

Jim Langston said:
And that is true discernment, being able to see both sides.

In a perfect world, she would shake the OP's hand. In a perfect world, the OP would not mind if she did not. This is not a perfect world, we can only try to do our part.

We are called to be perfect as Christ was perfect. So I think we need to all try as Christians but the world doesn't have to try and many Christians too.

now faith · Mar 13, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
Why...?

If our love is perfect, then we should be able to shake hands or give hugs to a stranger, shouldn't we...?

Is there some kind of criteria I would have to meet before you would give me a hug...?

Oh, I understand the discomfort, I feel it, I share it... But, I try to "get over it" for the sake of love...

God Bless!

God Bless You!
I understand your heart was pricked by fellow Christians,why?
They were not yet of full understanding of ministering to street people.
If you can't hug a hobo then you don't belong out there as yet.
God gives us the grace to perform the tasks he has given us to do.
Yet I know how you must feel,but know they were doing it their way and not Spiritually discerned.

now faith · Mar 13, 2017

SistrNChrist said:
I honestly wouldn't be too upset about the fact that some people aren't comfortable holding hands with or hugging you, because some people just aren't comfortable with having their personal space invaded by those they just met. I know I'm like that...if we've been friends for a long time, then I'm fine with physical contact, but if we just met, I wouldn't be too willing to give hugs or handshakes to you until I got to know you better.

They should stay in Church,and teach Sunday School.
The last thing a homeless person needs is to think that those who are Godly even find them unclean.
You will never get to know someone better by treating them different based on their condition.
Can they see Christ in you?
Would Jesus step back away from a street person?
There is no shame in being fearful just serve the Lord in another way.

Miss Tardis Blue · Mar 14, 2017

Last summer I went to attend a specific non-denominational church in my area. It has been labeled as having a very large congregation and is considered a mega church. People have "referred" me to the church for a while, and I decided to check it out.....
I was interested in the sermon preached, in which the teacher/speaker brought up that he is always open to talk with people about his beliefs and that he welcomes interaction.
After the service, I had written down a thank you note for the cheery reception his church had given, and a thank you note for the teacher as well. I saw him talking to people and a line waiting to talk with him.
So I stood in line and waited.
I watched him pray over people, hold hands, and seem "genuine".....
But that all changed when I told him that I was handing him a thank you note.
He had two security guards (plain clothed) that jumped between me and him, and knocked the paper away before it touched his hand. And he pulled away and would not come near me.
It was absolutely humiliating and it stunned me.
I don't know if he thought I was trying to poison him with some substance on the paper.
It was very apparent that I and my note were extremely hazardous to him and to be avoided at all cost.....=(
But it made me think long and hard afterwards....

And reading this thread reminded me of that.....
Jesus went to and interacted with people.
Not just the rich.
or the educated.
or the popular.
or the beautiful.
or the perfect.

and that He would approach and die for even a low-life like me.

And it was and continues to be a learning experience for me.
To interact with everyone......

That's why I have that statement that "I have never met anyone who wasn't important"...
Every person is important.
And to shun any one person,
is to shun a person who Jesus died for.....

God bless.....

Neogaia777 · Mar 16, 2017

Miss Tardis Blue said:
Last summer I went to attend a specific non-denominational church in my area. It has been labeled as having a very large congregation and is considered a mega church. People have "referred" me to the church for a while, and I decided to check it out.....
I was interested in the sermon preached, in which the teacher/speaker brought up that he is always open to talk with people about his beliefs and that he welcomes interaction.
After the service, I had written down a thank you note for the cheery reception his church had given, and a thank you note for the teacher as well. I saw him talking to people and a line waiting to talk with him.
So I stood in line and waited.
I watched him pray over people, hold hands, and seem "genuine".....
But that all changed when I told him that I was handing him a thank you note.
He had two security guards (plain clothed) that jumped between me and him, and knocked the paper away before it touched his hand. And he pulled away and would not come near me.
It was absolutely humiliating and it stunned me.
I don't know if he thought I was trying to poison him with some substance on the paper.
It was very apparent that I and my note were extremely hazardous to him and to be avoided at all cost.....=(
But it made me think long and hard afterwards....

And reading this thread reminded me of that.....
Jesus went to and interacted with people.
Not just the rich.
or the educated.
or the popular.
or the beautiful.
or the perfect.

and that He would approach and die for even a low-life like me.

And it was and continues to be a learning experience for me.
To interact with everyone......

That's why I have that statement that "I have never met anyone who wasn't important"...
Every person is important.
And to shun any one person,
is to shun a person who Jesus died for.....

God bless.....

People can sometimes be kinda like "poisonous" to me, especially certain ones, when I am having problems associated with my disorder, it gets like that, not all the time but about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time...

Sometimes I can only handle limited short interactions with people, sometimes not though, sometimes people don't bother me at all, but when that switch gets flipped in/within me, that all changes...

At those times, It has to short and sweet with people, and, I try to get out and "make" myself deal with people, cause it's a valuable lesson, I am learning how to love and be more open, by it... But, It's not easy sometimes, but my desire is that I really do want to deal or be with or around people, it's just not easy sometimes...

Peace,

God Bless!

tz620q · Mar 17, 2017

Neogaia777 said:
And yes, touching or hugging dirty people is Christ-like behavior, like Mother Teresa...

Most of the people I run into, it's not that bad, very few of them stink real bad, or are very repulsive, except for maybe mildly...

I have been following this thread and thinking of an old TV show that aired in the 1950' and 60's called "Life is Worth Living". The host was Bishop Fulton Sheen. He was a forceful speaker with a clear insight into how Christians should think and act. He had a small side ministry of having people send in a dollar to the show. He took the money and used it to buy crosses and other things that he would hand out around the world. On one show, he nearly broke down as he related a time in Africa when he was giving away crosses at a leper colony. He would hand each person a cross and hug them or shake their hand. One man who had been waiting in line held out a leprous hand that was barely recognizable. Bishop Sheen had tears in his eyes as he related how his hand recoiled from passing the cross directly to this man and instead just dropped it into the middle of the outstretched hand and watched it sink into the putrid flesh. Shame flooded him and he forced himself to take the hand and give it a warm shake. In all my time watching that show, this seemed to be the event that struck to Bishop Sheen's heart.

miknik5 · Mar 17, 2017

Miss Tardis Blue said:
Last summer I went to attend a specific non-denominational church in my area. It has been labeled as having a very large congregation and is considered a mega church. People have "referred" me to the church for a while, and I decided to check it out.....
I was interested in the sermon preached, in which the teacher/speaker brought up that he is always open to talk with people about his beliefs and that he welcomes interaction.
After the service, I had written down a thank you note for the cheery reception his church had given, and a thank you note for the teacher as well. I saw him talking to people and a line waiting to talk with him.
So I stood in line and waited.
I watched him pray over people, hold hands, and seem "genuine".....
But that all changed when I told him that I was handing him a thank you note.
He had two security guards (plain clothed) that jumped between me and him, and knocked the paper away before it touched his hand. And he pulled away and would not come near me.
It was absolutely humiliating and it stunned me.
I don't know if he thought I was trying to poison him with some substance on the paper.
It was very apparent that I and my note were extremely hazardous to him and to be avoided at all cost.....=(
But it made me think long and hard afterwards....

And reading this thread reminded me of that.....
Jesus went to and interacted with people.
Not just the rich.
or the educated.
or the popular.
or the beautiful.
or the perfect.

and that He would approach and die for even a low-life like me.

And it was and continues to be a learning experience for me.
To interact with everyone......

That's why I have that statement that "I have never met anyone who wasn't important"...
Every person is important.
And to shun any one person,
is to shun a person who Jesus died for.....

God bless.....

In fact, HE came for those who were "unclean"

And what HE touched was made clean

I'm sorry to hear about your experience

Unclean!, Unclean!, Don't touch me! Your dirty... Unclean!

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