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How is UMC different from Evangelicals? How would you explain it?
I am confused by your question because the UMC is technically an evangelical denomination. One of the founding principles of the church is personal faith in Jesus Christ, and social justice which is what evangelicals are known for.
 
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It depends on what your definition of 'evangelical' is*. Because if you mean 'evangelical' as an adjective, "to evangelize", then yes. Or possibly as a generic descriptor for 'simple faith', maybe. But if you're using it as a synonym for the Religious Right/Moral Majority/Fundamentalism-Lite demographic, the answer is pretty decidedly no. It doesn't mean some members don't get close to that, but the denomination as a whole is not, and it could be argued that at least some of the capital-E Evangelical hot button political and cultural issues are in direct opposition to the UMC's doctrine and official resolutions - partially because the history isn't there, partially because as a Mainline church, the UMC is much more similar to the Episcopal/Anglican Church (where Methodism originated) or ELCA (which is one of the denominations the UMC has ecumenical agreements with) than it is the Southern Baptist Convention.

*to wit, even self-avowed evangelicals themselves have trouble defining that sometimes.
 
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Well, the UMC is different from THAT evangelicalism because the UMC allows for diversity of opinion within its membership. While the UMC has a very strong social creed, it does NOT serve as a litmus for those who wish to be part of the church. The UMC is more about making disciples of Christ in order to transform the world, while it seems to me that some in evangelicalism (emphasis on SOME) would prefer to transform the world into copiers of their particular set of practices BEFORE introducing people to Jesus. In the UMC there is no one-to-one correspondence between theological and political views. Our beliefs with regard to God inform all we do in life, including our politics, but the answers to life's difficult questions don't require everyone to reach the same set of conclusions and march to them in lockstep. Wesley said, "If your heart is as my heart, give me your hand." And so, regardless of politics, Methodists have been walking and working hand and hand with anyone who has a heart for Jesus ever since.
 
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Those are the sort of people who think that "liberal" is a bad word, while at the same time having such a narrow definition of "evangelical" that they have turned it into an adjective describing one's politics and having little to nothing to do with theology and the practice of one's faith. I would argue that they aren't even true evangelicals.

Do they even realize that Paul's conversion experience in Acts shows us not one who left Judaism for Christianity as if they were two different religions, but one who went from being a conservative Jew adhering strictly to the traditions passed on from generation to generation as normative interpretations of the Torah to being a liberal Jew capable of a new understanding and application of Torah. For Paul, evangelism requires the sharing of this new understanding as Good News for not just his own faith community but the whole world.
 
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There is a long history in Christendom that fights against this truth. Starting in the aftermath of the failed Bar Kochba revolt, the ECFs did everything they could to turn Christianity into another religion, completely severing it from Judaism. So much so that to a traditional religious Jew, Christianity appears completely pagan.
 
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One's view of the world often depends on where one plants his/her feet.
And yet we are called to take the gospel (i.e. be evangelical) to the Jew first. Rom 11.11 says the gospel went to us gentiles to make Jews jealous. As far as I can see, that is the ONLY direct reason given in scripture to us being brought into the faith.

So if we have something that looks pagan and foreign to Jews, how do we make them jealous?

Are we that sure our own feet are planted in the right place?
 
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