Two types of righteousness...

Steeno7 said:

Romans 3:21 "But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify."

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Romans 4:13 "It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."

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Galatians 2:21 "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”"

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Philippians 3:9 "and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith."

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Steeno7 said:

No. The word for "Law" is better translated as "curse".


Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”"

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Soyeong said:

The whole point of this thread is that there are two types of righteousness, and you're equivocating. I'm was talking about practicing righteousness and you're trying to counter that with a verse talking about being declared righteous. Those who are declared righteous apart from the law are called to practice righteousness by faith through the working of His Spirit in accordance with the law.

Again, Ephesians 2:8-10 is equivalently saying we are declared righteous by grace through faith, not by practicing righteousness, but for the purpose of practicing righteousness. Both being declared righteous and practicing righteousness were important to Paul and the Gospel, but it was also very important to him not to get the confused. Being declared righteous must come before practicing righteousness. Becoming a slave to obedience to things that are not sins, aka the law, leads to practicing righteousness and sanctification (Romans 6:15-19)



Indeed, the law was never given for the purpose of inheriting the promise.



Indeed, we should not set aside the grace of God and try to be declared righteous through keeping the law, that was not the reason for why the law was given, but a perversion of it.



Deuteronomy 6:25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.”

Indeed, Paul is agreement with Moses that righteousness does come from the law and we can't gain Christ through through it. That wasn't why the law was given to Moses. It was given, among other reasons, to make us aware of sin, to condemn our sin, to provide a temporary remedy for sin, to point to the one who could provide a permanent remedy for sin, but also to instruct us how not to sin aka how to practice righteousness or live rightly.

Romans 8:1-8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

In verse 2, being free from the law of sin and death is freedom from the part of the law that condemns for disobeying it, which is parallel with what Paul is saying that verse 1 that there is now no condemnation for those in Christ. God sent his Son so that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, or in other words so that we could be able to fully do what the righteous law requires of us who walk according to the Spirit. He contrasts that with living according to the flesh and says that those who do that are hostile to God and do not submit to God's law. It is those who are walking in the Spirit who walk in obedience to God's law, not to become justified - they already are, but because that is how those who are justified are called by the Spirit to act.

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Soyeong said:

The curse of the law is that it condemns us to death for disobeying it and Christ paid for our penalty by becoming a curse for us. He set us free from the law's power to condemn us, not his instructions in the law to love our neighbors.

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Steeno7 said:

The "whole point" of the thread is simply nonsense, and has already been shown as such. As has been your attempts to somehow make sense out of nonsense.

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That Christ has paid the penalty is of no benefit to those who reject Christ and His sufficiency in favor of their continued SELF-righteousness. That IS the curse of the Law, its relentless demand for total compliance, while making no provision for accomplishing what it demands. The best it can produce is Self-righteousness, pseudo righteousness, which is no righteousness at all.

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Soyeong said:

It hasn't been shown as nonsense, you're just hand waving it without showing where my reasoning is wrong. I suppose you think Ephesians 2:8-10 and Romans 8:1-8 are nonsense too because they disagree with your theology? It directly says that those who set the mind on the flesh are hostile to God and do not submit to God's law. If you do not submit to God's law, then you are hostile to God. Like it or not, those who are of God are those who practice righteousness in obedience to God's law.

1 John 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.



That's just a strawman you keep burning. I have not been talking about self-righteousness, but about practicing righteousness by faith through the leading of the Spirit.

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steeno7 said:

Well, it's not Christians who are "according to the flesh". Nor is it those who live by faith in Jesus Christ who cannot please God. Those who are "according to the flesh" of course cannot subject themselves to the Law, hence their need for a Savior.

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And your interpretation of what "practicing righteousness" is, is nothing more than Self-righteousness.

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Soyeong said:

Indeed, Christians shouldn't live according to the flesh, but if you do not submit to the law of God, then you are hostile to God and not living as a Christian should.

If we try to obey the law through our own effort, then it is self-righteousness, but if we obey the law though faith and the leading of the Spirit, then it is God's righteousness.

I'm using the same phrase that was used in 1 John 3:10, you refuse to understand that doing good works by faith through the lead of the Spirit is an essential part of sanctification and we are transformed to be like Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

Keeping the law was very important to Jesus and you can't accurately claim to be imitators of him without surrendering in obedience to the will of God as he did.

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