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Trump's Rhetoric: A Timeline of Division and Violence

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Trump's Rhetoric: A Timeline of Division and Violence

From the start of his political career, Donald Trump has used violent and inflammatory rhetoric, inciting anger, division, and sometimes physical aggression.
Beginning with his 2015 campaign announcement, where he labeled Mexican immigrants as “rapists,” to his presidency marked by attacks on political opponents, the media, and Black Lives Matter, Trump’s words have often been provocative and dangerous.

This timeline underscores key moments of escalating discord, culminating in the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack and ultimately influencing an assassination attempt in 2024, highlighting the enduring and dangerous influence of his rhetoric on the political landscape.

2015-2016: Presidential Campaign Rhetoric
  • June 2015: During his campaign announcement, Trump labeled Mexican immigrants as “rapists” and criminals.
  • August 2015: Suggested in a rally that a protester might deserve to be “roughed up.”
  • November 2015: At a rally in Birmingham, Alabama, Trump said about a protester, “Maybe he should have been roughed up.”
  • February 2016: Told supporters at a Las Vegas rally to “knock the crap out of” anyone planning to throw tomatoes, promising to pay their legal fees.
  • March 2016: Encouraged supporters at a rally to “knock the hell” out of protesters, again promising to pay their legal fees.
  • March 2016: In Iowa, Trump said he would pay legal fees for supporters if they got in trouble for removing protesters, adding, “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you.”
  • March 2016: A supporter punched a protester at a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, and Trump remarked that he might pay the legal fees for the supporter.
  • August 2016: Suggested “Second Amendment people” could stop Hillary Clinton from appointing Supreme Court judges.
  • October 2016: In Miami, Trump told supporters to “beat the crap” out of anyone they saw about to throw a tomato.2017-2021: Presidency
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I'm going to have to stop you. The very first item on your list is that Trump labelled Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. He did not such thing.
 
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Beginning with his 2015 campaign announcement, where he labeled Mexican immigrants as “rapists,”
You blew it right there. No need to read further.
 
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The very first item on your list is that Trump labelled Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. He did not such thing.
Trump Defends Calling Mexican Immigrants 'Rapist'

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Asked why he used the term "rapists" to characterize Mexican immigrants, Trump pointed to recent reports that as many as 80 percent of the female immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border are sexually assaulted during the trip.

CNN's Don Lemon then pointed out that those reports document immigrants being raped during their journey across the border - not the immigrants raping people after they get here.

Trump replied, "Well, somebody's doing the raping, Don. I mean, you know, somebody's doing it. Who's doing the raping? How can you say such a thing?"
 
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That is absolutely true. And it in no way implies that all Mexican immigrants are criminals.
 
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That is absolutely true. And it in no way implies that all Mexican immigrants are criminals.
It doesn't even imply - it outright claims that most of them are criminals.

Some of the other bullet points are pretty weak sauce, but anybody claiming that, in that case, he wasn't trying to disparage the vast majority of them as criminals is parsing English in a way that's blatantly disingenuous.
 
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No, he did say that he assumed that some were good people. This implies that most of the immigrants got his labeling of bringing and in drugs , and crime and are rapists, which is a blatant lie. Most are good law abiding people and a small percentage are involved in criminal conduct
 
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If a person immigrates into a nation illegally, that person is a lawbreaker. What else should a lawbreaker be called if not a criminal?
 
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If a person immigrates into a nation illegally, that person is a lawbreaker. What else should a lawbreaker be called if not a criminal?
It's clear that what he was implying was not merely some skirting of administrative rules regarding immigration process.
 
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It's clear that what he was implying was not merely some skirting of administrative rules regarding immigration process.
Is that how the laws are now defined, merely some administrative rules?
 
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If a person immigrates into a nation illegally, that person is a lawbreaker. What else should a lawbreaker be called if not a criminal?
It is a civil law being broken, not a criminal law.
If one doesn’t already know the difference, one might opt to refrain from further comments.
 
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It is a civil law being broken, not a criminal law.
If one doesn’t already know the difference, one might opt to refrain from further comments.
So, now you are suggesting that immigration and border laws are merely civil laws??? Hmmmm, I wonder if we should tell that to the Border Patrol agents?, and I wonder if we should tell that to the smugglers whom are making billions of dollars with the human trafficking which they are doing?
 
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One should leave the goalposts where they are, adding “smuggling” and “human-trafficking” introduces topics not under consideration by your first assertion.
 
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One should leave the goalposts where they are, adding “smuggling” and “human-trafficking” introduces topics not under consideration by your first assertion.
Considering the manner in which the immigration and border laws are consistently and constantly being violated, I am not moving the goalposts at all when smuggling and human trafficking is a major part of the discussion.
 
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Considering the manner in which the immigration and border laws are consistently and constantly being violated, I am not moving the goalposts at all when smuggling and human trafficking is a major part of the discussion.
No that is what we’re discussing now, if you want to argue about that fine, but you don’t get to opine
If a person immigrates into a nation illegally, that person is a lawbreaker. What else should a lawbreaker be called if not a criminal?
and imply you meant human trafficking and drug smuggling at the same time, you’re not arguing in good faith, and I bid you adieu.
 
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No that is what we’re discussing now, if you want to argue about that fine, but you don’t get to opine

and imply you meant human trafficking and drug smuggling at the same time, you’re not arguing in good faith, and I bid you adieu.
Have yourself a good night and a pleasant day as well. I know that I am debating in good faith.
 
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Have yourself a good night and a pleasant day as well. I know that I am debating in good faith.
You said “If a person immigrates into a nation illegally, that person is a lawbreaker. What else should a lawbreaker be called if not a criminal?”

I pointed out that the immigration law considers this a civil offense, not a criminal one.

Then you shifted the topic to “the smugglers whom are making billions of dollars with the human trafficking which they are doing?”

That’s classic “moving the goalpost”.

I am sorry that you’re unable to acknowledge that.
 
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You are correct. I see now that I did use a classic "moving the goal post." However, I still believe that it is against the law, and not merely a civil administrative law, to enter into the USA illegally. I still believe that I am debating in good faith. The only reason that immigration law considers crossing into the USA illegally to be a civil offense is because, in my opinion, the manner in which the Biden administration has been currently interpreting immigration laws.
 
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You are correct. I see now that I did use a classic "moving the goal post."
Thank you.

However, I still believe that it is against the law, and not merely a civil administrative law, to enter into the USA illegally.
For your opinion to be valid, I’d like to see the source (law) that states that merely crossing the border is a “criminal offense”.
Non citizens cross the border all of the time, there’s a fair amount of (not illegal) commerce that transpires between our neighbors (both North and south), most of the time they come in, do their business and then leave.

Odd how you’d like the government to be 100% effective at enforcing the laws correctly, while having a skewed view as to what those laws actually say.


There hasn’t been a comprehensive immigration reform since 1986; maybe it’s time we revisit that?…which is a matter for the legislative branch to consider.
But here’s the thing, even if Congress got off its butt and actually passed such reform, crossing the border “illegally” would still not be a criminal offense.
 
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