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True name of the Messiah.

yeshuasavedme

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I'll go with the Scriptures on that. Your opinion of others opinions is worthless in the face of plain Scripture, and true history.

Jesus spoke Hebrew. plain and simple, needs no re-writing according to men's denial of it being true.
He still speaks Hebrew -and all the tongues of the nations, in fact, for He made one tongue, with the one aleph bet given to Adam, which He divided at Babel to scatter the tribes out, by..

Hebrew is the mother tongue given in the beginning, divided into 70 at the tower of Babel judgment, and spread out like trees with branches to the thousands today -but they are all Hebrew rooted in all their words, for Hebrew is the one Mother tongue given to Adam -which the inhabitants of earth will all speak again, in the millennium
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.


One does not have to buy the book to get a sample lesson online of the science of the edenic -first Hebrew- tongue, the mother tongue of All Adam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR0ftoBFdCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V75QdBlwyas
 
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JustMeSee

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Something like that. The name Ieseus literally means "Zeus heals".

Very good.

It is good that Jacobian English is the only language that matters. If it was good enough for Adam and Eve, it is good enough for all?

 
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I've heard and read this argument before that somehow 'Jesus' came about from 'Hail Zeus' or 'Zeus Heals'.

It's just part of the reason that I got majorly screwed up in 2013 which lead me to major depression that lasted from like April to October.

Here's my take on it:

1) The New Testament was written in ancient Greek which probably no one speaks in anymore, and then you get further translations into Latin and English.

For all we know, the Bible today can be a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation, etc...until we get to English.

And when you go from one language to the other, it's an impossibility to keep 100% of the originating language - Some things will be lost or be replaced by a 'best matching' word. Not only that, some words or names are not translated by meaning - but by sound to keep the 'sound' as close to the original as possible.

Lets not forget that, along the way, people translating from one language to another might have made a mistake or two, and it was never caught. People are human and innocent mistakes will be made. Even though Bible copiers and translators at the time before word processors were extremely meticulous. Wouldn't you think translation errors would occur somewhere in 2000+ years, going from one language to another, and are never caught?

Plus, you need to account for how people speak today vs how people spoke back then. Phrases and names have entirely different meanings today than they did 2000-ish years ago.

To say that Christians must use the original Hebrew name is almost akin to saying that we must learn Hebrew to be considered 'Christian'.

It was even Jesus himself that said to take the message out to the world - which also implies translating it into the language of whom the message is being taught to.

Would he (Jesus) have said that, if he didn't accept the fact that translation problems could occur? That seems ridiculous to me.

2) There are plenty of people throughout the world that are named after ancient gods, or even after the many names that Jesus goes by.

I'm not talking about the Spanish/Mexican 'Hey'Zeus' name either.

There are many people who are named Emmanuel, a lot of people named Joshua, and there are (some) people who are named Isis.

Lets take the logic presented here: Jesus comes from 'Hail Zeus' is the argument. So when you say 'Jesus', you're saying 'Hail Zeus'.

Ok...would anyone Emmanuel be considered to be the Son of God then? Since that is one of the names of Jesus..Emmanuel. Obviously..No. None of them claim to be, and we shouldn't either.

A lot of people have named their son Joshua. Joshua is a hebrew name meaning 'Savior'. The logic here is that all people named 'Joshua' are 'saviors'. Are they? Do any of them claim to be? No!

3rd example is the name Isis. Obviously it originates as the name of an Egyptian Goddess. Some parents name their daughter this as I've met a couple. Do these people think they are that goddess? Do their friends? parents? Again..NO.

If you are going to apply that logic to one person (Jesus) then we have to, by logic, apply it to everyone else. Maybe start worshiping everyone who's name is Emmanuel or Joshua. After all, that's what the logic here is saying.

And you can't say 'well, he's DIFFERENT'. That mentality can only be applied to all, or none.
 
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Do you know what a non sequitur is ? Or a slippery slope fallacy ?

Also ... consider this: what if every time you saw a certain word in English in your standard Protestant Bible which I'm assuming you probably reference, that word actually meant something so different, that it gave an entirely different context to the passage you're reading. For example ... what if the word "God" was used in such a way, or applied in such a way, that it may even describe completely different beings/contexts ... which you didn't even see were there until you went back and looked at it in other languages, etc.

Let's say you're reading a book of Greek mythology ... and instead of mentioning Zeus by name, or Hera, or Poseidon ... the text simply replaces their names with "God". It would make the text confusing perhaps, yes ? I mean, why is "God" at one point a bull, the next a female, the next he's waging war with himself. Sometimes invisible, sometimes not. Or let's say you even further lose the context of their gender in the word "God", to where even the gender is ambiguous and the story becomes confusing. What's going on ? But if you put their names back in, with the proper gender references, whether you're talking about plural beings or a singular being, etc ... then the story may actually make more sense. It may raise more questions, but it also may make more sense. It may show more than just one's beliefs being off concerning a "name" ... it may show that one's understanding is entirely centered around a complete misunderstanding of something in the first place. It may reveal that there is more than just a different name for the same thing ... it may reveal there is a different name for an entirely different thing all-together.
 
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Actually, lots of people can read ancient Greek. And the New Testament is translated into English DIRECTLY from the original Greek. It is NOT a "translation of a translation of a translation of a translation."

Similarly, the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. It is translated into English DIRECTLY from those languages.

And the name "Jesus" comes from the New Testament. It has nothing at all to do with Zeus.
 
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