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Yes, but he did not have to boast in the work he did to make that point. Granted, he said it was not his work, but it was the work of Christ. That is kind of the point I am getting at.Paul only said that to prove a point. Let's not take it out of context.
You go and ruin your first sentence by putting in the remainder of your sentences.Anyways, if you are afraid of boasting or in me boasting (even though that was not my intention that you falsely accuse me of), we can always PM (Private Message) each other in regards to these questions (So nobody knows). But I have a sneaky feeling that you are not going to do that because I believe your belief does not bear fruit in regards to some of the basics of the faith that a believer is supposed to naturally have (As a result of God living within them).
But I would l do enjoy in being proven wrong if it leads to the glory of God.
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That is showing how much you do not understand Paul's writings. To pull out that Paul was boasting out of that shows where your mind and heart is.Yes, but he did not have to boast in the work he did to make that point. Granted, he said it was not his work, but it was the work of Christ. That is kind of the point I am getting at.
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If it is Christ working in you and not yourself than why are you so worried about sin?
If.. If you REALLY put your faith in Christ working in you. That through Christ you can do all things, than you would not be checking and double-checking everything you do.
If.. It is Christ in you, then you are spiritually with Christ each minute of each day as Jesus was with the Father. But then, if that is what is going on, you break back into your own 'carnal' self to double-check the suppose workings of Christ in you to see if you have committed sins. Sins unto death as you say.
So which is it? I guarantee that when Christ was spiritually with His Father while He was on earth He wasn't checking Himself against sin. He stayed spiritually WITH the Father and He KNEW that was the right path.
But in your view it does not really matter what I do so salvation wise. I am saved and I do not really have to worry about serving others. I can love myself and live my life however I please. But I realize I am bought and paid for with a price and I am not my own.You go and ruin your first sentence by putting in the remainder of your sentences.
To become like Jesus you must become a servant to others. You work on that one.
Does one have the fruit of God if they obey just some of the moral laws? I would say no(your words) Jason if you actually believe you perfectly obey the whole of the moral law you are blind and misguided, and must have watered down the moral law.Yes, I am aware of that. I was not listing a comprehensive exhaustive list of all moral laws. The point was to show you that Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits. Do you have the fruits of God in your life to prove that He lives in you? Does one have the fruit of God if they obey just some of the moral laws? I would say no. For example: If a believer hated all the time, but yet they obeyed a lot of the other moral laws, would they have the fruit of God in their life? That would be a "no" because they are picking and choosing which laws of God (that have dire after life consequences in disobeying them) that they want to obey.
Which Law do you think is in effect? The Old Covenant Law or the New Covenant Laws? Or do you think there are no laws in effect for the believer salvation wise?
Your message is not powerful because it allows for sin on some level. God cannot condone such a message because He is holy and righteous.
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Where did I say Paul was boasting in himself? I believe Paul was boasting in the work of Christ done within him. So your attempt at trying to paint me as the villain is not going to work.That is showing how much you do not understand Paul's writings. To pull out that Paul was boasting out of that shows where your mind and heart is.
Constantly looking at others takes the focus off of ourselves. You should think about that.
Either you are deliberately yet again distorting my views or you are incapable of understanding spiritual truthBut in your view it does not really matter if I do so salvation wise. I am saved and I do not really have to worry about serving others. I can love myself and live my life however I please. But I realize I am bought and paid for with a price and I am not my own.
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So you believe it is impossible to keep the moral law? So what do you do then? You just don't worry about it? Sweep it under the rug? Focus on Jesus as your Savior and live however you like or obey whenever you feel like it? Is that how it works?Does one have the fruit of God if they obey just some of the moral laws? I would say no(your words) Jason if you actually believe you perfectly obey the whole of the moral law you are blind and misguided, and must have watered down the moral law. I don't say that to be unkind, but simply to state a truthful fact
But Paul believed and stated what you refuse to acceptWhere did I say Paul was boasting in himself? I believe Paul was boasting in the work of Christ done within him. So your attempt at trying to paint me as the villain is not going to work.
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You said that a person can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved in some cases. You also said we will be found as sinners, too. What kind of sins are we talking about here? Lying? Hating? Lusting? Can a person be found a sinner in that sense and be saved? Or do they need to have repentance and bring forth fruits worthy of that repentance?Either you are deliberately yet again distorting my views or you are incapable of understanding spiritual truth
That's a very ambigous statement.But Paul believed and stated what you refuse to accept
You are incapable of perfectly keeping the moral law. Some just convince themselves otherwise by watering down the laws demands. Others accept the truth and in humility cling to JesusSo you believe it is impossible to keep the moral law? So what do you do then? You just don't worry about it? Sweep it under the rug? Focus on Jesus as your Savior and live however you like or obey whenever you feel like it? Is that how it works?
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But in your view it does not really matter if I do so salvation wise. I am saved and I do not really have to worry about serving others. I can love myself and live my life however I please. But I realize I am bought and paid for with a price and I am not my own.
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Paul said we will be found to be sinners while seeking justification in Christ. Its strange, you attack me for having that belief but you don't attack Paul for having the same belief. Oh well!You said that a person can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved in some cases. You also said we will be found as sinners, too. What kind of sins are we talking about here? Lying? Hating? Lusting? Can a person be found a sinner in that sense and be saved? Or do they need to have repentance and bring forth fruits worthy of that repentance?
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You may assume what you wish, but as someone once said to me. To assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.Anyways, the fact that you are unwilling to answer my questions from before worries me. For if you do not at least answer by way of PM these questions I asked before in the other post in regards to morality, then I am going to assume you are breaking some of them (Which lets me know that you are not on the side of the truth here).
John 3:20
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."
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Where did I ever say how great I am? I never give glory to myself for any good done in my life. Again, you are trying to throw mud on me or paint me as the villain when such is not the case at all. For I do not hold to the belief that you are trying to pin on me. On the contrary I have argued with two men (Claiming to be Christian) that we are saved by man directed works. He actually believed that. Crazy. But if you want to keep falsely accusing me of something I do not believe then go right ahead.You most certainly can and seem to. That's my point.
When you start thinking about how great you are, do a 360 degree turn and realize that agape love, selfless love, a servant is what Christ was.
I thought that you were trying to become more like Christ. Christ was a servant. God in the flesh that came only to serve others. Jesus said that the first will become the last and the last will become the first. Stop trying to be first.
That's the problem with making it all about sin. It puts the focus on ones self. Always.
Jesus wasn't focused on Himself. Jesus could have come in glory and made EVERY knee bow to Him. But He did not. Remember that when your trying to be perfect.
The thing is that there should be nothing to hide if you are guilt free. And it would not be boasting if you privately send me a message about it. Only I would know and I would not tell anyone. Well, I do not even know who you are. So how could I tell people about you?You may assume what you wish, but as someone once said to me. To assume makes an ASS out of U and ME. I am not here to boast of myself Jason but to discuss christian theology
I am not attacking Paul for saying those words because they do not mean what you think they say. But I ask you again. Can you be found as a sinner in the sense of being a liar, or a hater, or a man who commits sexual immorality and still be saved? Or was Paul referring to being found a sinner in different kind of way?Paul said we will be found to be sinners while seeking justification in Christ. Its strange, you attack me for having that belief but you don't attack Paul for having the same belief. Oh well!
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