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TRUE "BIBLE ONLY" DOCTRINE...vs...The Charismatic Movement

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SEE AS BACKGROUND:

Uncertainty

TRUE "BIBLE ONLY" DOCTRINE
VERSUS
Local "Church" Demominational DOCTRINE

The Charismatic Movement:

1. Assemblies of God
2. United Pentecostals
3. Other "full gospel" movements

Charismatic Movement - Wikipedia...edited by me

The Charismatic Movement is the international trend of historically mainstream Christian congregations adopting beliefs and practices similar to Pentecostalism. Fundamental to the movement is the use of spiritual gifts (charismata). Among Protestants, the movement began around 1960. Among Roman Catholics, it originated around 1967...

"Charismatic Christians" believe that the gifts (Greek" "charismata") of God the the Holy Spirit as described in the New Testament (ONLY!)
(primarily in Acts of the Apostles and listed/discussed only by Paul)
are available to contemporary Christians through the "infilling" or "baptism" of ("by"? "into"? God the Holy Spirit, with-or-without the "laying on of hands".(SEE: # Below)
Although the Bible lists many gifts from God (the Father) through (God the) Holy Spirit,
there are nine specific "SIGN" gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12:8–10
that are Supernatural in nature and are the FOCUS of and distinguishing feature of the Charismatic Movement:

1. Word of Wisdom, (spiritual from God to receiver)
2. Word of Knowledge, (spiritual from God to receiver)
3. (transmitted) Faith,
4. Gifts of Healing (solely at the will of the healer),
5. Miraculous Powers,(identical to Jesus/apostles)
6. Prophecy (100% accurate fore-telling: "Thus saith the LORD...")
7. Distinguishing between Spirits (discernment of good/bad inner man),
8. Speaking in different Tongues (glossa = dialects / understandable languages),
9. Interpretation of Tongues (discernment and translation of (glossa = dialects / understandable languages)),

SEE ALSO: What is the Charismatic movement?

#
Laying on of hands - what does the Bible say?

#
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cf.../k/235/Basic-Doctrines-Laying-On-of-Hands.htm

Spirit-led BELIEF/FAITH in "doctrines" (summations of absolute spiritual truths) such as the Nicene/Apostle's CREEDS, does NOT save. Spirit-led men devised them for edification of believers and to prevent heresies.
Only GRACE through spirit-led FAITH/BELIEF SAVES from eternal separation from God and changes the spirit.
( John 3 as explained in Ephesians 2 )

BUT DOCTRINE IS IMPORTANT! Ask the leaders of local "churches" for a written "doctrinal statement".
If they do not have one, BEWARE and fear FALSE DOCTRINE being taught.

Compare any doctrinal statement to this or very similar one:

Doctrinal Statement | Dallas Theological Seminary (DTS)

On the issue of CESSIONISM:

We believe that some (SIGN) gifts of (God) the Holy Spirit such as "speaking in tongues" and "miraculous healings" (at the sole will of the healer) were temporary.(ENDED with the "apostolic age ~90-100 AD) We believe that "speaking in tongues" was
never the common or necessary SIGN of the "baptism" (BY) nor of the "filling OF the Spirit", and that the (final) deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection (Acts 4:8, 31; Rom. 8:23; 1 Cor. 13:8).

QUESTIONS:
1. Have the miraculous authenticating SIGN GIFTS of the "Apostolic Age" (ending ~95-100 AD) CEASED?
2. Does the recent Charismatic Movement of last ~57 years build up or tear down the FAITH/BELIEF of true believers in the Body of Christ, the "CHURCH"?
3. Explain theologically the term "Second Blessing" with supporting Scripture.
4. Are true saved believers "Second Class Christians" if they do not possess all or any of the SIGN GIFTS?.
5. Do local denominations of the Charismatic Movement have "doctrinal statements". If not, why not?
6. Do local denominations of the Charismatic Movement have "Bishops/Overseers"? "Pastors"? "Deacons"? "Elders"? "Teachers"? "Prophets"? "Evangelists"
REF: 1 Timothy 3 ; +
Ephesians 4:11
And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, +
1 Peter 5 ..."elders" +
"apostles" = messengers
"disciples" = student followers
 
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1. Have the miraculous authenticating SIGN GIFTS of the "Apostolic Age" (ending ~95-100 AD) CEASED?

It seems they did all end once scripture fully documented the
Christian Message and they were no longer needed.
 
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THEORY: Once the 44 books, the original MSS of canonized NT Scripture, were "written", copied, and distributed, The SIGN GIFTS ENDED ~95-100 AD.
The commissioned apostles to spread the Gospel were dead.

The SIGN GIFTS do/DID nothing to build up the "Body of Christ", the "CHURCH".

Ephesians 4:12
for the equipping of the saints for the WORK OF SERVICE, to the building up of the "body of Christ";
 
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Boy, it sure is good for all of us that the councils which officially recognized the scriptural canon centuries later got it by sheer luck then.
 
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Ron Gurley

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Response to Post#4: Q: "the councils which officially recognized the scriptural canon centuries later got it by sheer luck then?" = FUNNY SARCASM??


A: NOT "luck" at all:

1. PERFECT SPIRIT-LED RECALL

RELIABILITY:...>spirit-led PERFECT RECALL.
John 14:26 (Jesus to his followers: Upper Room Discourse)
"But the Counselor, (God) the Holy Spirit, whom (God) the Father will send in my (God the Son's) name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." (and DID!)

2. God the Holy SPIRIT breathed/inspired and superintended

2 Peter 1:19-21..."AUTHORS" were "men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
19 So we have the prophetic word MADE MORE SURE,
to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.But know this first of all, that
no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but
men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

2 Timothy 3:16 (NASB)...16 All Scripture is inspired (breathed) by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Luke 24:27, 32, 44-45...the post resurrection super BIBLE study...He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures
He (Jesus) explained to them (2 Emmaus followers) what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself.They said to one another,
"Were not our hearts burning within us (Holy Spirit?) while He was speaking to us on the road,
while He (Jesus) was explaining the Scriptures to us?"...

(...at the "fish fry" to His followers)

Now He said to them,
"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the
Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

3. MIRACULOUS!!

My Christ-Following VIEWS:

The Bible (Scripture) is the supreme authority when compared to other writings and precepts.
All of the ACTUAL WORDS therein were "Spirit Inspired", and "superintended" by God.
The ~40 authors and their scribes recorded these words in "original manuscripts" (MSS) which were without error.
Systematic study of Scripture leads one to the conclusion that it is God's supreme way of "speaking" to Man.
The "economy" or God's methods of relating to Man changed from Old Testament times to New Testament due to the historical appearance of Jesus of Nazareth,
The Divine Messiah, The Christ, the God-Man., Son of God, Son of Man, etc
The Bible as a piece of literature is withhout peer, and
it has been MIRACULOUSLY remembered, inspired, dictated, written, copied, translated, preserved, interpreted, and distributed...AND "CANONIZED:!!

1 Corinthians 2: 6-16 (NIV1984)...Wisdom From the Spirit
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom
but in words taught by (God)the (Holy) Spirit,
expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Those who can not do, teach. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. I am sorry you limit the Holy One of Israel. Your loss.
 
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Teachers do teach, and believers are often given the spiritual gift of "teaching".

To cherry pick primarily the transtional books of Acts of the Apostles + only Paul's writings to create Charismatic FALSE DOCTRINES does not bring glory to God nor build up the Body of Christ, the "CHURCH".

I limit nothing. I lose nothing. I speak spirit-led truth based on Scripture to prevent true believer's misery based on relying on Charismatic FALSE DOCTRINE.

Answer the QUESTIONS!
 
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