Trivia Thread

Ann M · Feb 23, 2005

Lord I am not worthy to receive you, only say the word and I shall be healed.

Found the original:

"And when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion approached, asking Him, and saying, "Lord, my servant lies at home sick of paralysis, grievously tormented." And Jesus says to him, "I will come and heal him."

The centurion answered and said, "Lord, I am not worthy that You should enter my roof; but only speak the word and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, 'Go,' and he goes, and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."

Paul S · Feb 23, 2005

Very close, Ann.

The editio typica of the Missale Romanum being in Latin, however, the two prayers are actually even closer than the ICEL translation.

Can you find the two-word difference?

Ann M · Feb 23, 2005

Okay, from here we find that this:

At this point, congregations will be made particularly aware of the extent of change as they recite the words, "Lord, I am not worthy that you should come under my roof but only say the word, and my soul shall be healed."

The present version, which is a gross mistranslation, empties the response of its scriptural echoes, reading: "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed". The new text refers us to Luke 7:6-7, from which the words "come under my roof" (sub tectum meum) derive. This is the Gospel account of Our Lord's curing of the centurion's dying slave. The centurion says: "I am not worthy to have you come under my roof" (Catholic RSV edition)

All credit goes to Google of course!

Paul S · Feb 23, 2005

Yep.

At Mass we say Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur anima mea. This is the centurion's prayer, except he said puer meus ("my boy" or "my servant") instead of anima mea ("my soul").

This is one of my favourite prayers at Mass - unworthy though we are, the Lord truly is about to come under our roof (which is even more apparent when the Host is placed on the tongue).

For some reason, ICEL tends to remove references to our souls - anima mea is dropped, and Et cum spiritu tuo (referring to the soul of the priest, which is indelibly marked at ordination) is translated as "And also with you."

Speaking of which, that inspires another question.

In the Office (and elsewhere), one who is at least a deacon says Dominus vobiscum and the reply is Et cum spiritu tuo. What does a lay person replace this with?

Ann M · Feb 23, 2005

Latin Vulgate :

8:8 et respondens centurio ait Domine non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur puer meus

Missale Romanum

Domine, non sum dignus, et Lord, I am not worthy that You
intres sub tectum meum: sed should come under my roof. But
tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur say the word and my soul will
anima mea. be healed.

Okay Paul I give up.

Paul S · Feb 23, 2005

Ann M said:
Okay Paul I give up.

You got it last message - the difference is "my servant" vs. "my soul", which you mentioned.

Ann M · Feb 23, 2005

You were typing whilst I was looking for that Latin vulgate translation. I still cannot find the original one I came across that had both Latin & English together!

As to the next, compliments of New Advent:

Deacons say it only in the absence of a priest or with his permission if present (Van der Stappen, De officio divino, 43), but subdeacons use instead the "Domine exaudi orationem meam".

But could you please dirct me to a good translator so that I can understand this conversation about it?

Paul S · Feb 23, 2005

Ann M said:
Deacons say it only in the absence of a priest or with his permission if present (Van der Stappen, De officio divino, 43), but subdeacons use instead the "Domine exaudi orationem meam".

And the response?

Ann M said:
But could you please dirct me to a good translator so that I can understand this conversation about it?

I'll translate after someone finishes the question.

Feel free to come up with the next one - I'm up way too late for a 7:15 Mass.

Ann M · Feb 23, 2005

Paul S said:
Scisne in Officio numquam dicat laicus "Dominus vobiscum"? A laicis dicitur "Domine, exaudi orationem meam" in loco ejus.

Responsum est, "Et clamor meus ad te veniat."

Is this the answer?

Paul S · Feb 24, 2005

It is. One who has not been ordained a deacon says Lord, hear my prayer and the response And let my cry come unto Thee in place of The Lord be with you and the response And with thy spirit.

I need to start coming up with questions I haven't previously answered - I forgot about that thread.

D'Ann · Feb 24, 2005

Wow, I wouldn't even know where to begin... I lose. LOL.

God's Peace,

D'Ann

Paul S · Feb 24, 2005

Here's one.

Why do older churches have side altars?

darby8 · Feb 24, 2005

I remember that Father used one of the tabernacles of the side altars during the Good Friday ceremony because the main altar was stripped. Am I even close?

Paul S · Feb 24, 2005

darby8 said:
I remember that Father used one of the tabernacles of the side altars during the Good Friday ceremony because the main altar was stripped. Am I even close?

The tabernacle on a side altar is used on Maundy Thursday when the Blessed Sacrament is removed from the main tabernacle, until He is removed completely from the Church until Easter, but this isn't the reason they're there.

darby8 · Feb 24, 2005

Maundy Thursday? Is that the same as Holy Thursday? I thought you mistyped "Monday".

Let me try another stab. After going to St. Peter's, one will notice many, many altars throughout and most are being used. Are these extra altars there in order that other masses may be said concurrently?
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Or, one is to worship Mary and the other is to worship Joseph. Just kidding.

Well, I'll learn a few things today. By the way, do you know what the 10th month is?

Paul S · Feb 24, 2005

darby8 said:
Maundy Thursday? Is that the same as Holy Thursday? I thought you mistyped "Monday".

The traditional name of the day before Good Friday is Maundy Thursday, "Maundy" being a now-obsolete word for the Eucharist and the Last Supper. "Holy" Thursday is 40 days after Easter, but this is now in many places Ascension Thursday Sunday.

I hope the USCCB doesn't give us a Monday Thursday - they've already moved Thursday to Sunday.

darby8 said:
Let me try another stab. After going to St. Peter's, one will notice many, many altars throughout and most are being used. Are these extra altars there in order that other masses may be said concurrently?

Getting closer.

darby8 said:
Well, I'll learn a few things today. By the way, do you know what the 10th month is?

October, although when the year formerly began in March, the tenth month was December, hence the name.

darby8 · Feb 24, 2005

Gee, you're too smart! I thought it to be a good trivia question in general. Deci = 10. My theory was that it was a 10 month calendar and 2 months were added for emperors: July for Julius and August for Augustus.

Sept = 7, Octo = 8, Novo = 9, Deci = 10. January - June are named after gods, I believe. (Janus, Mars, Juno, whoever...)

Extra altars...I'm really reaching now. Was the main altar for Bishops and the other for Priests? I don't know. Deacons are the servants of the table. Priests are the servants of the people. Bishops are the pastors. Now I'm just rambling.

Paul S · Feb 24, 2005

Nope - your guess about St. Peter's about multiple Masses was right, but in your average parish, why not just wait for the main altar to be free?

Debi1967 · Feb 24, 2005

Paul S said:
Nope - your guess about St. Peter's about multiple Masses was right, but in your average parish, why not just wait for the main altar to be free?

If the parish is being concurrently used by those that are not only Catholic but also non-Catholic....

darby8 · Feb 24, 2005

Main altar for public masses, others for private masses? Put me out of my misery, man! What is it!

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