Transsexuals and Religion

As I was saying · Oct 10, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
I am sure you do. That is the problem when when someone with a secular based mindset is trying to discuss spiritual matters. It does not make any sense.

I think that is well and truly proved when the scripture says that natural man cannot discern the things of the spirit and when you tell them this they either think you are being arrogant or they cannot understand that spiritual is not discerned with natural. Even believers cannot discern the spiritual with the natural. if they can't why should they believe they can. What you might say it is not logical which is surprising as atheists believe they have a monopoly on logic. From what I have read over the years that is the last thing they have.

It is far more logical to trust God and find yourself wrong that not to trust God and find yourself wrong. In that respect, christians are far more logical than atheists.

Armoured · Oct 10, 2015

Rockshe said:
A cut in there lip or whatever is a entirely different story.

how do you figure?

Armoured · Oct 10, 2015

As I was saying said:
Yes actually. I am very verifiable. People love me for it. Verifiable; to prove the truth of, as by evidence or testimony. People love my testimony as I am autistic so when I say something happened they know it happened.

Anecdotally, people have seen the Queen turn into a giant, blood drinking lizard.

If that's too subtle for you, perhaps you're familiar with the phrase "pics or didn't happen "?

As I was saying · Oct 10, 2015

katerinah1947 said:
Hi,

I am transgender. For your consideration of God and I and my situation, it was in 2013, that I decided to be transgendered. That is a lot of time to consider that, since I was born in 1947.

In and about 1952, all the signs of my being the highest form of being transgendered, were all there. In the car, in Midland Michigan, left all alone, I wondered why my parents were on the second floor talking to a doctor about turning me into a girl. That is and was my thoughts being less than 6 years old then. Those are childhood thoughts. I cried. I fell asleep crying in the back of the car. The item was never brought up again.

In 2005, I woke up after quintuple bypass surgery with an anuerism, with a woman's heart and did not know why. (Yes, I know the impossibilities of that, and the lack of evidence as I was given no anti rejection drugs if this was someone else's heart, a female's and not mine.)

That is a huge amount of time, and had my parents been richer it would have been less, is what it took for me to be transexual, (the most severe form of being transgendered), in the way God must have wanted that to happen in my case.

As time passed, I would get person contacts of The God Kind, and it is all verified by The Roman Catholic Church and cleared by more than one mental health professional. Two Psychiatrists and on Ph.D. Psychologist say rather than being mentally ill, it is all real in my case.

I have always wondered why God did this to me. In the Bible in the letter of James, it says roughly, that if you are tough enough God gives you poverty. And it also that those who are not given poverty have much to make up for, but are not hopelessly lost to God, rather they must do things to make their richness, correct with God.

My transgenderism is a form of poverty. I don't get a normal life. And less you think God does not do things to those who are impoverished, read the Magnificat and see what The Holy Spirit had Mary say about the poor being filled with every good thing.

In an approved set of revelations by a Spiritual Director in the Catholic church, I have been given even God The Father's personal voice to hear, once. And that is just one item, there are many many more.

So, I can confirm that to me God made no mistakes, in making me transgendered. He rather than a mistake, Gifted Me With This Condition.

LOVE,

God did not do it to you. Sin did. In Genesis it says God created them male and female and there is not one verse of scripture since then that suggests anything has changed. We can all invent a theology to support our own ideas, but if they are not supported by scripture then they remain that, our own ideas.

It says for the believer that sin shall not have dominion over us. If it does, we have either believed a lie or we are not a believer.

As I was saying · Oct 10, 2015

variant said:
Religion (given it's human authorship) is often about how people a long time ago reacted to any particular problem.

This makes gives it some inflexibility when it has to sit there and say that the people who wrote down the religion were speaking for God even when later discovery may seem to contradict that point, or situations arise that it didn't think to give clear guidance on.

What religion are you talking about?

variant · Oct 10, 2015

As I was saying said:
What religion are you talking about?

All of them. We can strike off those that have developed over the last 100 years or so.

As I was saying · Oct 10, 2015

variant said:
All of them. We can strike off those that have developed over the last 100 years or so.

And which ones have developed over the last 100 years?

RAnonUS19B · Oct 10, 2015

Armoured said:
how do you figure?

Because that's a simple mutation or whatever you would call it while "transgender" would have to be a massive complex mutation or whatever. Which I hardly ever see happening other then a few disorder which still dont change the body to that huge degree. Sorry if I worded this a bit wrong, But i'm sure you get my point.

Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

1 Corinthians 6:!9
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

EDIT: By the way these simple mutations are most likely caused by various problems here on earth, Drinking, Nuclear radiation, Sin, pollution genetic engineering, chemical attacks and various other things. Just look at agent orange that a decent example that could cause the mutations which still do not change the body completely.

Armoured · Oct 10, 2015

Rockshe said:
Because that's a simple mutation or whatever you would call it while "transgender" would have to be a massive complex mutation or whatever. Which I hardly ever see happening other then a few disorder which still dont change the body to that huge degree. Sorry if I worded this a bit wrong, But i'm sure you get my point.

Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

1 Corinthians 6:!9
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Sooo... OK to change a simple mutation, but not a "massive" one? Is that your position?

RAnonUS19B · Oct 10, 2015

Armoured said:
Sooo... OK to change a simple mutation, but not a "massive" one? Is that your position?

Yes simple mutations are easyly caused by human affects but not ones that entirely change the dna, body etc of a human. I don't see this happening anywhere do you? And if it did change the dna, body etc wouldnt you think it would most likely change the heart and mind too?

Armoured · Oct 10, 2015

Rockshe said:
Yes simple mutations are easyly caused by human affects but not ones that entirely change the dna, body etc of a human. I don't see this happening anywhere do you? And if it did change the dna, body etc wouldnt you think it would most likely change the heart and mind too?

...um... with the best will in the world, I don't think you know what you're talking about. DNA changes and mutations occur all the time. Some have small effects, others very large ones. Including that effect heart and mind.

Sorry, you haven't convinced me that medical intervention for a transgender person is morally or ethically any different to any other medical intervention. If you accept it's OK to correct a person with harelip, it should be fine to treat transgender people.

variant · Oct 10, 2015

As I was saying said:
And which ones have developed over the last 100 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements

And, I am obviously not talking about religions listed here that don't depart from the source material over a thousand years old.

Cearbhall · Oct 10, 2015

As I was saying said:
What you mean the greatest era when we murder millions of babies in the womb? if that is greatest I wonder what the worst looks like?

I don't consider that to be morally wrong. Obviously each person has a different set of criteria when evaluating an era.

katerinah1947 · Oct 10, 2015

Rockshe said:
What do you mean by the God Kind? And saying something is certified by the Roman Catholic church. Will not do much for me as I believe many of the beliefs contradict the bible (praying to mary, confessing to priests, the pope probably a few other things) And i know God gives people that are strong enough some struggles as he has given me some but what I can tell your spouse to overcome them obviously other then embrace them.

Hi,

Although I am busy, and just got here, I will respond to you.

Close encounters of the God Kind, means that for reasons to God, He has Graced me, with things from Him.

Legally this site, asks me to only post what is approved and verified. So, some I cannot talk about yet.

Of the encounters, which all occurred by answering the second of a strong calling to go somewhere on Faith plus a little bit more, here are some, that you can handle:

Hearing the actual voice of God The Father, in my right jaw joint, to talk to a boy who needed to know what to do next, after he had seen Jesus Personally one day.

Hearing the actual voice of Jesus, The Son of God, The Savior, The Begotten One, in that same place, also to tell that boy things for his next step with God.

Do you need more?

LOVE,

katerinah1947 · Oct 10, 2015

As I was saying said:
God did not do it to you. Sin did. In Genesis it says God created them male and female and there is not one verse of scripture since then that suggests anything has changed. We can all invent a theology to support our own ideas, but if they are not supported by scripture then they remain that, our own ideas.

It says for the believer that sin shall not have dominion over us. If it does, we have either believed a lie or we are not a believer.

Hi,

If you are right, then you should be able to exorcise that out of me, but you can't. You can do that to no one. It has never worked.

As far as God creating man, there is so much information out there on the subject of transgender, that you would be better served by dealing with those who deal with that, rather than ask me to talk about that.

My life, after saying Yes, to God is entirely about God. (For the staff: Yes, this is all part of that verified private revelation.) Since saying Yes, I now have a very normal for me life with God, and actually people as well. So, mostly I spend my time in that relationship, but since God loves everyone, you are part of that relationship also.

Several here and in other areas have gone over Scripture in the area of Transgender. I am not one of them, rather my saying Yes to God as a woman in a male's body, pretty much told me what God thought of me being transgendered. (Yes, He did come. It is all recorded elsewhere. He came personally. Gabriel asked me the question for Him. I don't know why. After the question was asked, if you will try and understand, I had too much emotion and too much to consider. I needed to say yes or no. I needed to figure it all out. No female who loves, says yes to a man, unless she is sure that her emotions are such that she can love him as a woman needs to love a man, marriage wise.) Yes, this is recorded, and approved by someone who is called a Spiritual Director, within the Catholic Church.

And before you go off, saying that you can reject their work, they did not use what you would call Catholic ways to find this out. They used the Bible. I was subjected to a Bible type of test. I was subjected to a test like the one Gideon used. The results had to be either exact in all details, including timing, or all that I am telling you now would be false, and I would hold it as false also.

It what happened to me, did not pass the test, then the words would still be here, but in the negative. I would be speaking on how much I was fooled one day.

LOVE,
...Mary Katerina., .... .

Jutta2 · Oct 12, 2015

I understand all the previous posts, there are in this forum three different opinions. Including one that states that transsexualism is an invention of the devil. And a person is transsexual. I did not understand all your answers, because English is not my native language, but so much to be able to answer.
I agree: God makes no mistakes!
If this transsexual people, however, were born that way (Two sexes in one body; a perceived gender, and a biological sex), which do not seem to match, then I wonder if God has made yes no mistakes; so that we might want to clarify something?
Perhaps the beauty and diversity of God's creation? Perhaps that it is not our job to judge, but to love everyone unconditionally? Maybe that transsexual people got in the kingdom of God just a place, like a devout Christian, Jew or Muslim?
Who am I that I should have the right to judge others! God decides, not us, because God knows all the facts, we only some that we mix with our prejudices and fears.

SkyWriting · Oct 12, 2015

Jutta2 said:
I agree: God makes no mistakes!

We are all born into Sin. None were perfect
except for for the first and second Adam.

Cute Tink · Oct 12, 2015

Rockshe said:
You seen I knew this but it does situations it is still a sin as in cross dressing as stated in the bible it is a sin (on tablet will provides verses later if need be)

I have heard from Biblical scholars that the Deuteronomy verse you refer to has to do with women dressing as soldiers and men hiding among the women from their duty as soldiers.

However, I have little doubt that you don't follow the entirety of Deutoeronomy either.

Lastly, I don't cross dress.

Cute Tink · Oct 12, 2015

As I was saying said:
Such a limp wristed response. I have yet....did you know that the world does not revolve around you? I haven't seen any destitute children on the streets of India who sell their bodies for sex so they can eat. That proves nothing other than I haven't seen it.

I do know however people who have seen it so it must be true unless I call them all a liar like you do.

I called nobody a liar. I also didn't claim the world revolved around me. However, I do expect that, especially upon request, people provide a reference that can be verified if they expect their words to be given authority.

Cute Tink · Oct 12, 2015

As I was saying said:
Pedantic posturing.

What did you call that? A "limp wristed response"?

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