Tony Abbott's popularity

TheDag · Oct 18, 2011

Ok so I know opinion polls don't always mean much but why on earth do people think abbott is a good leader? All he is doing is opposing everything possible to make the government appear unworkable and try to force us into a really early election. He does not actually care about the policies merits. He just opposes for the sake of opposing. I had hoped John Hewson had done enough to get rid of that stupid political thinking that had the coalition arguing against their own policies after labor adopted some of them. Perhaps Abbott is thinking well it worked for Fraser maybe itwill will work for me. Any thoughts?

joey_downunder · Oct 18, 2011

I have mixed feelings about Abbott. Promising too much and like you say opposing everything on principle.
But isn't that the Opposition's job?

Born to Watch · Oct 19, 2011

I thought Abbott was doing a good job highlighting the incompetence of the Labor Green alliance.
He opposes the Carbon tax, thats a Tick in my book
He opposes the offshore processing in Malaysia, thats a Tick in my book
He opposes the change of the mining tax, thats a Tick in my book

Thats 3 issues, have I missed anything else? Let me see, no, I can seem to find anymore.
At the very worst Abbott could be, he would make a far more competent leader than Gillard, who I am afraid is the biggest dud Prime Minister in Australias history..

Born to Watch · Oct 19, 2011

Oh yeah the exorbitantly expensive NBN that will cost us a fortune, so we can have a broadband network like Japan, so we can surf the net.
Remember Japan is a tiny teensy island with a huge population and we are a huge island with a tiny teensy population.
I oppose that NBN roll out as well. It will probably be outdated by the time its finished anyway, you know, new technology and all.
Gillard is a dud who needs to be opposed

TheDag · Oct 19, 2011

Born to Watch said:
I thought Abbott was doing a good job highlighting the incompetence of the Labor Green alliance.
He opposes the Carbon tax, thats a Tick in my book
He opposes the offshore processing in Malaysia, thats a Tick in my book
He opposes the change of the mining tax, thats a Tick in my book

Thats 3 issues, have I missed anything else? Let me see, no, I can seem to find anymore.
At the very worst Abbott could be, he would make a far more competent leader than Gillard, who I am afraid is the biggest dud Prime Minister in Australias history..

What do you have against Malaysia? Abbott supports processing offshore but instead supports a solution that the high court has already ruled to be illegal. How is that good? It is the classic diversion tactic. While Paul Keating was rubishing Hewson for suggesting a $3/hour youth wage if you read Labors policy they actually supported the idea of lowering the youth wage to a very generous 20 cents or so above what Hewson was offering! Classic diversion tactic. Rubbish the opponent and have basically the same policy yourself. Once again how is that good?
The NBN was Rudd's idea and went ahead because of Rudd. So nothing to do with Labor/Green alliance.
I agree the NBN should have been scrapped. Probably too late now.

A big cross for Abbott in my opinion is that he has demonstrated that he wants to force his religious views on others. I have a real issue with that. i have seen the damage forcing religion onto people has done. Thankfully when Abbott was health minister the party forced him to make a decision against his beliefs or be humiliated in public by the party.
Another big cross for Abbott and the coalition is they tend to have more policies that breach international law (including basic human rights) that Australia has agreed to follow. At least the US hasn't signed the agreement to pretend they are doing the right thing.

joey_downunder said:
I have mixed feelings about Abbott. Promising too much and like you say opposing everything on principle.
But isn't that the Opposition's job?

Why oppose something if it is a good idea? I reckon judge each case on its merits and decide. There are things supported by the coalition such as offshore processing that they are arguing against for the sake of it. As I said i guess it worked for malcolm Fraser so Abbott is hoping it will work for him. Despite outrage at Whitlams sacking Fraser won the election by landslide.

Born to Watch · Oct 20, 2011

I think its unreasonable to ask why I dont support Malaysia.
I wonder why you would if you advocate refugee human rights.

Just looking to see all the different issues Abbott opposes, what 3?
Irrelevant I think Abbott would make a far greater leader than Gillard, even Rudd the dud was a better leader.
In bed with the Greens, what a joke.

joey_downunder · Oct 20, 2011

Born to Watch said:
I thought Abbott was doing a good job highlighting the incompetence of the Labor Green alliance.
He opposes the Carbon tax, thats a Tick in my book
He opposes the offshore processing in Malaysia, thats a Tick in my book
He opposes the change of the mining tax, thats a Tick in my book

Hmmm.... yes I agree with you on nearly all those issues as well.

Mixed feelings about mining tax. I lived in Karratha (WA) for a couple of years (husband's army posting) and am now moving to Gladstone (QLD). Both regions show the difference between miners and the average Joe. FIFO workers contributed nothing in Karratha but got huge wages. Had workers camps for most miners and locals had to pay huge rents (saw old house advertised for $2 grand a WEEK). Mining companies are rolling in money and crying poor at the same time.

It is how non-miners might get affected if taxes got brought in and miners moved out. When the GFC started mid 2008 Karratha suddenly had a lot less utes with that orange flag driving about and some local businesses started to struggle because they still had to pay the same rent.

I dislike hearing in the background that Liberal Party's Work"NO"Choices 2.0 may be in draft form. Cross in my book.

At the very worst Abbott could be, he would make a far more competent leader than Gillard, who I am afraid is the biggest dud Prime Minister in Australias history.

I 'spose it is how he gets tongue-tied when under pressure from media and the fact he is a man's man that puts me off Abbott himself the most.

I would certainly be happy to see Bob Brown go. Gillard's his puppet. She never got into power without him and now she is paying for it.

joey_downunder · Oct 20, 2011

TheDag said:
Why oppose something if it is a good idea? I reckon judge each case on its merits and decide. There are things supported by the coalition such as offshore processing that they are arguing against for the sake of it. As I said i guess it worked for malcolm Fraser so Abbott is hoping it will work for him. Despite outrage at Whitlams sacking Fraser won the election by landslide.

Yes it is a bit of "it's my way or the highway" (or forced election). I don't like the hostility between each party right now.
Liberals have consistently argued for using Nauru's better facilities. Labor would rather lose the next election than go back to Howard's successful solution out of nothing but PRIDE.

TheDag · Oct 20, 2011

Born to Watch said:
I think its unreasonable to ask why I dont support Malaysia.
I wonder why you would if you advocate refugee human rights.

I made it clear i thought but guess not. Abbotts solution is to refugees is exactly the same as labor. That is to process them offshore. With the high court ruling saying any nation that has not signed the same international treaties & laws as Australia is not suitable. Well that also rules out the solution Tony Abbott is proposing. So your saying offshore processing in malaysia is a cross against Julia should also mean it is a cross against Tony.

joey_downunder said:
Yes it is a bit of "it's my way or the highway" (or forced election). I don't like the hostility between each party right now.
Liberals have consistently argued for using Nauru's better facilities. Labor would rather lose the next election than go back to Howard's successful solution out of nothing but PRIDE.

Except it is no longer a solution. The high court ruling has ruled Nauru out because of the treaties they have not agreed to.

Bubblies · Oct 22, 2011

I think both Abbott and Gillard are as bad as each other. However, Abbott is against Carbon tax, which wins for me. Both are refusing on-shore processing of asylum seekers, so they're both duds there. I just enjoy Gillard losing all her battles to get them to Malaysia haha.

tgg · Oct 25, 2011

There are far better alternatives for Australians to put into power than the LNC and ALP, such as the Australian Sex Party, the Greens, and the Socialists. Truth is, foolish voters get what they deserve when they can't or don't want to see past idiots like Abbott and Gillard. Better an angel you've yet to know than the devil you know or don't know.

Bubblies · Oct 27, 2011

Personally, I like the Australian Democrats, but unfortunately they're not that big anymore.

People just don't educate themselves on our parties and then just vote Liberal or Labor (or as most people see it; Gillard or Abbot) when there are so many other (and better) options.

TheDag · Oct 27, 2011

yes well the democrats took a massive hit when chryl kernot as leader left and joined the labor party. of course that gave a chance for the democrats to actually be independant again rather than another branch of the labor party which is what it was under kernot. Alot of people resented the democrats agreeing to the GST. however in hindsight that did contribute towards Australia being in a better position to cope with the GFC than if we had kept the old tax system.

Born to Watch · Oct 28, 2011

I use to vote democrats till Kernot got in.
Effectively they became a pseudo green party with out a leader. Stot Despoya was a little airy fairy for me, no leadership quality's at all.
I dont see any better options, I thought One Nation had a few good qualitys though, with the help of the main stream media, Liberal and labor dispatched them.
Hansen herself could have been a little more media savy.
The two party system is here to stay

joey_downunder · Oct 28, 2011

I was almost certain to vote Liberal this time and now Abbott starts defending poker machines!!!! He's an idiot!

joey_downunder · Oct 28, 2011

The Australia newspaper even has a semi-negative article about him!

October 27, 20112:39PM

TONY Abbott has drawn rare criticism from the Australian Christian Lobby over his plan to axe Labor's poker machine reforms if he wins government.
The influential lobby group today urged the Opposition Leader - a committed Catholic and former trainee priest - to rethink his rejection of the mandatory pre-commitment scheme and commit to a trial of the technology.
ACL managing director Jim Wallace said Mr Abbott's stance was “disappointing”.
He said the proposed scheme, which would allow poker machine players to set the maximum amount they were prepared to lose, should not be dismissed out of hand.
“I think it is about compassion and it is an issue of social justice,” Mr Wallace said.
“I am concerned that vested interests such as (James) Packer's Crown Casino, the clubs industry and state governments addicted to poker machine revenue are having undue influence in this debate.
“I would urge the opposition to rethink its stance on mandatory pre-commitment and at least propose that a trial be conducted in the Northern Territory, Tasmania or another suitable locality.”
Mr Abbott this week said the Coalition would seek to rescind Labor's poker machine reform if it won the next election.
Speaking at a clubs community event on Tuesday night, Mr Abbott said: “If this legislation is passed by the parliament, and if we then subsequently form a government, I predict that we will rescind it”.

Spiritlight · Oct 28, 2011

i was thinking about him yesterday. it must be hard being in opposition because you have to oppose government policies even if they are humane or good for people.

It must be hard on his conscience

the redhead and him are a discrace picking on refugees fleeing for their life for political gain.

Born to Watch · Oct 28, 2011

Spiritlight said:
i was thinking about him yesterday. it must be hard being in opposition because you have to oppose government policies even if they are humane or good for people.

It must be hard on his conscience

the redhead and him are a discrace picking on refugees fleeing for their life for political gain.

Julia Gillard has to "supposedly" implement the policy of the Australian people, not small minoritys.
Refugees are not considered welcome by Australias majority, refugees who arrive on boats are seen as cue jumpers, so are not looked on with compassion. I understand her and as such the Liberals position. It is neither a disgrace or complex.
What is a disgrace, the carbon tax that the majority of Australians have rejected.
That alone garners Abbot the support and popularity he deserves.

Whats the go with Poker machines. Are the majority in favor or not. We dont have any in WA and I cant see any reason to bring them in. Though I am of the belief they raise very large sums of revenue for the states that dont have valid primary or secondary industry

Spiritlight · Oct 28, 2011

Born to Watch said:
Julia Gillard has to "supposedly" implement the policy of the Australian people, not small minoritys.
Refugees are not considered welcome by Australias majority, refugees who arrive on boats are seen as cue jumpers, so are not looked on with compassion. I understand her and as such the Liberals position. It is neither a disgrace or complex.
What is a disgrace, the carbon tax that the majority of Australians have rejected.
That alone garners Abbot the support and popularity he deserves.

Whats the go with Poker machines. Are the majority in favor or not. We dont have any in WA and I cant see any reason to bring them in. Though I am of the belief they raise very large sums of revenue for the states that dont have valid primary or secondary industry

many of those people are genuine cases. look at Libya and lots of nations at war. if that was here i might run for my life too.

We are a big country we can take it. why send people into tiny little countries with worse off economies than ours.

Romans 12

On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

They are not enemies of ours.

Matthew 10

40 Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophets reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous persons reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.

Its in the Bible love your neighbor not reject them in times of need.

I would chew on broken glass before voting for either of those...seriously!

TheDag · Oct 28, 2011

Spiritlight said:
i was thinking about him yesterday. it must be hard being in opposition because you have to oppose government policies even if they are humane or good for people.

No he doesn't. he could do what has happened plenty of times in the past and have the party vote for what they believe in not just automatically oppose everything in an effort to cost us taxpayers miliions of dollars in an election.

Abbott has it easy. He can say well if I was in government but if he was PM with a hung parliament then if he wanted to get any legislation that labor opposed through then he would be making deals left right & centre or just not passing any legislation. He also would be facing the threat made to labor that if you don't pass this legislation then I will withdraw my support as one of the independants has threatened.

I am reminded of a story a lawyer friend told me. On her first day at uni the lecturer asked who has ever watched Yes Prime Minister? Numerous people put up their hand and the teacher responded by saying great you know everything there is to know about how laws are made in this country. The rest of you better listen. That is true regardless of if it is a hung parliament or not. Games and deal making and pressure is put on even if the government can govern in their own right. Evidence of this is how Abbott was forced by his party to back down from his stance in regards to RU486 (or the abortion pill.)

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