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I can't argue this biblically but as an 'ordinary' member of my church, I just give what I can because I want to see the church prosper in the work of the Lord.
We can go jabbing back and forth till the cows come home......I've got lots of time.FollowingJesus said:Post count is not an indication of knowledge. The fact that you think so, once again, speaks volumes about you.
My sense is there is much that you are 'reading' (and writing) incorrectly.
Agreed!!9-iron said:
By far this is the best example of a heart for giving to Lord I have witnessed on this board. If everyone had this attitude, tithing arguments would be irrelevant.
NewSong said:I believe that if every believer gave what God told them to give that there would be no problems.
swifteagle said:Since Jesus said this...But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone." Luke 11:42
How do you come to the conclusion that the Tithe is not a part of the NT covenant?
9-iron said:
I'll bet a tenth of your paycheck this thread hits 5+ pages....
Jimmy West said:I was lead to believe that tithing applied only to that income that was a result of your labor, or work.
Andrew said:Please understnd that no one is talking about tithing under law here. Of course we are no longer under the law, and we don't tithe becos of some law or rule. We tithe out of grace, as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did. We are under grace, under the Melchizedek priesthood of Jesus, who received tithes from Abraham, not becos of some law, but becos Abraham wanted too.
Andrew said:So it's tithing under grace that tithers here are refering to.
SNPete said:But I have been convicted that what God wants from me is not just my money, but my time. To me that is a bigger sacrifice.
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But what if God says I want you to give 20 hours to My work. Ouch!
andry said:Good to see you Andyman....I'll assume you got my PM?
I agree with you, just as all of our money belongs to God, so does our time. However, we spend God's money for all sorts of personal things like cars, food and fun. Hopefully we set aside part of God's money for His work or ministry.Andyman_1970 said:All time is God's time for a Christian. Colossians 3:17, everything a Christian does is in Jesus' name, from going to work, to taking out the trash, to going to the pool with your kids, everything we do is for God (except when we sin of course).
SNPete said:I agree with you, just as all of our money belongs to God, so does our time. However, we spend God's money for all sorts of personal things like cars, food and fun. Hopefully we set aside part of God's money for His work or ministry.
In the same sense, we should be willing to set aside some of our time, as we are led, to activities that are directly concerned with Gods work or ministry. Activities such as church related stuff, volunteering you time at a Christian camp or ministering to people in need, just to name a few.
I understand what you are saying. But are you implying that it is not necessary or good for the Christian to give of their time and money, a portion set aside-so to speak, for (non personal life activities sort of) ministry?Andyman_1970 said:The problem is the stuff you listed, cars, food and fun is for God as well. Our whole life is spiritual not just the part we spend at church doing "God's work" we do God's work anytime we're not sinning.
Every Christian is in the full time ministry where ever they go, when I do my job as an engineer it's for God, when I pick my son up from the sitter on my way home it's for God, when I mop the floor tonight in the kitchen it's for God...........are you starting to see a pattern here?
The idea that part of our life is spiritual and part of it is not is a hold over from Gnostisim and still has a huge influence on the church today sadly.
SNPete said:I understand what you are saying. But are you implying that it is not necessary or good for the Christian to give of their time and money, a portion set aside-so to speak, for (non personal life activities sort of) ministry?
New_Wineskin said:I understand what you are saying here and somewhat agree . Yet , I also disagree . I would think that everyone posting is giving as they consider the Lord is telling them to give . And , we are having problems . It seems that some people think that *others* are *not* giving as the Lord desires . I don't care if people "tithe" in whatever definition they wish to give for that word . Only when *some* people consider that *I* must give a particular way other than what the Lord leads me to give ( even if that differs from their own doctrines ) do I have problems .
Of course , there is also the general discussion . It does become interesting at times .
probinson said:Ah, the tithing debate. It's astounding to me how people can read the same Bible, the inspired Word of God, and come up with 400 different "interpretations" of what it says.
First, I believe in tithing. I tithe 10% of my gross income (read: first fruits). I do so because it is a direct commandment from God. Since I love God with all my heart, I want to honor his commandments. That's the attitude with which I tithe. I never consider tithing as an obligation. It's all in your attitude, and God knows your heart.
That said, I believe that tithing is just the beginning. Many times, God will speak to me or my wife to give to a person or a ministry. This is what is called an offering. These amounts are between me and God. But my tithe is non-negotiable.
Why do I believe this? Because it works! God's word is true. In Malachi, God asks us to challenge him. He tells us to bring all the tithes AND offerings into the storehouse and see if he won't open the windows of heaven and pour a blessing out that you won't have room enough to receive. But is it simply for personal gain? No. It's so that you will be able to be an even bigger blessing in the future.
I have seen over the years in my own life, that no matter what financial setbacks we've experienced, God has always provided a way of escape. I believe this is because it also states in Malachi that when you tithe, God will rebuke the devourer for your sake. Why on earth would God do away with tithing when it is clearly an avenue for him to bless us?
A lot of people say they can't afford to tithe. It's been my experience that you can't afford not to tithe.
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