Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2023

myst33 said:
An holyday (feast), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath.—Comp. Isaiah 1:13-14, “the new moons and sabbaths . . . the new moons and the appointed feasts My soul hateth;” also Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:13. The “feast” would seem to be one of the great festivals; the “new moon” the monthly, and the sabbath the weekly solemnity. With this passage it is natural to compare the similar passage in Galatians 4:10, “Ye observe days and months and times (special seasons) and years.” But there the specially Judaic character is not so expressly marked; and, in fact, the passage has a wider meaning (like Rom. 14:56), showing the different position which even Christian festivals held in Apostolic days. Here it is the Jewish festivals, and they alone, which are noted. It is obvious that St. Paul gives no hint of any succession of the Lord’s Day to be, in any strict sense, a “Christian Sabbath.” We know, indeed, that the Jewish Sabbath itself lingered in the Church, as having a kind of sacredness, kept sometimes as a fast, sometimes as a festival. But its observance was not of obligation. No man was to “judge” others in respect of it.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

The majority of people do not keep God’s holy Sabbath commandment, so of course there will be commentary to support that. It’s impossible for the Sabbath commandment to be nailed to the cross. God said we cannot subtract or add to His commandment Deut 4:2, God blessed the Sabbath commandment and man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so you would need a thus saith the Lord to remove which doesn’t exist- the weekly Sabbath was kept decades after the cross, so not nailed to the cross, the earthy temple was modeled after God’s heavenly Temple Heb 8:5 Rev 11:19 so not possible.

Here’s other commentary

Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

trophy33 · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
The majority of people do not keep God’s holy Sabbath commandment, so of course there will be commentary to support that. It’s impossible for the Sabbath commandment to be nailed to the cross. God said we cannot subtract or add to His commandment Deut 4:2, God blessed the Sabbath commandments and man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so you would need a thus saith the Lord which doesn’t exist- the weekly Sabbath was kept decades after the cross, so not nailed to the cross, the earthy temple was modeled after God’s heavenly Temple Heb 8:5 Rev 11:19 so not possible.

Here’s other commentary

Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

The point was that we can copy bulks of texts of other people forever. Its not a proof of anything, if you actually do not accept their authority.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2023

myst33 said:
The point was that we can copy bulks of texts of other people forever. Its not a proof of anything, if you actually do not accept their authority.

Or we can just accept God's Authority, the Author of His eternal commandments Matthew 5:19, Rev 11:19 that He did not leave up to man to write. Exodus 32:16 How wonderful we have a God that loves us so much He would come down to earth to personally give us His moral commandments. Psalms 119:172 so we do not need to guess the proper way to live Romans 7:7 which is why Jesus came to do the will of the Father John 6:38 and kept His Father's commandments John 15:10 and is the way John 14:6 and our example to follow 1 John 2:6

Gary K · Jun 29, 2023

myst33 said:
An holyday (feast), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath.—Comp. Isaiah 1:13-14, “the new moons and sabbaths . . . the new moons and the appointed feasts My soul hateth;” also Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:13. The “feast” would seem to be one of the great festivals; the “new moon” the monthly, and the sabbath the weekly solemnity. With this passage it is natural to compare the similar passage in Galatians 4:10, “Ye observe days and months and times (special seasons) and years.” But there the specially Judaic character is not so expressly marked; and, in fact, the passage has a wider meaning (like Rom. 14:56), showing the different position which even Christian festivals held in Apostolic days. Here it is the Jewish festivals, and they alone, which are noted. It is obvious that St. Paul gives no hint of any succession of the Lord’s Day to be, in any strict sense, a “Christian Sabbath.” We know, indeed, that the Jewish Sabbath itself lingered in the Church, as having a kind of sacredness, kept sometimes as a fast, sometimes as a festival. But its observance was not of obligation. No man was to “judge” others in respect of it.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

2:8-17 There is a philosophy which rightly exercises our reasonable faculties; a study of the works of God, which leads us to the knowledge of God, and confirms our faith in him. But there is a philosophy which is vain and deceitful; and while it pleases men's fancies, hinders their faith: such are curious speculations about things above us, or no concern to us. Those who walk in the way of the world, are turned from following Christ. We have in Him the substance of all the shadows of the ceremonial law. All the defects of it are made up in the gospel of Christ, by his complete sacrifice for sin, and by the revelation of the will of God. To be complete, is to be furnished with all things necessary for salvation. By this one word complete, is shown that we have in Christ whatever is required. In him, not when we look to Christ, as though he were distant from us, but we are in him, when, by the power of the Spirit, we have faith wrought in our hearts by the Spirit, and we are united to our Head. The circumcision of the heart, the crucifixion of the flesh, the death and burial to sin and to the world, and the resurrection to newness of life, set forth in baptism, and by faith wrought in our hearts, prove that our sins are forgiven, and that we are fully delivered from the curse of the law. Through Christ, we, who were dead in sins, are quickened. Christ's death was the death of our sins; Christ's resurrection is the quickening of our souls. The law of ordinances, which was a yoke to the Jews, and a partition-wall to the Gentiles, the Lord Jesus took out of the way. When the substance was come, the shadows fled. Since every mortal man is, through the hand-writing of the law, guilty of death, how very dreadful is the condition of the ungodly and unholy, who trample under foot that blood of the Son of God, whereby alone this deadly hand-writing can be blotted out! Let not any be troubled about bigoted judgments which related to meats, or the Jewish solemnities. The setting apart a portion of our time for the worship and service of God, is a moral and unchangeable duty, but had no necessary dependence upon the seventh day of the week, the sabbath of the Jews. The first day of the week, or the Lord's day, is the time kept holy by Christians, in remembrance of Christ's resurrection. All the Jewish rites were shadows of gospel blessings.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

I find it interesting that Ellicut left out the two preceding verses of Isaiah chapter 1 as they make all the difference in the world in understanding what Isaiah is saying.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Sorry but the definition and usage of sabbatōn (4521) is quite clearly the weekly seventh day Sabbath. To prove that wrong you're going to have cite a different translation of sabbatōn from a concordance/lexicon source most Christian translators and scholars consider valid.

It's plurral and takes on a different meaning, plus index and commentary does not trump context. You need a thus saith the Lord to remove one of God's eternal commandments, which doesn't exist. The earthy temple was an EXACT replica of God's Heavenly Temple Hebrews 8:5 where the Ten Commandments resided unedited Deut 4:2 under His mercy seat in the Most Holy of His Temple. Rev 11:19

Every weekly Sabbath was kept decades after the Cross Acts 13:42-44, Acts 18:4 Acts 1:12, Acts 13:14 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2 so the Sabbath commandment wasn't nailed to the cross and Jesus Himself said it would be kept long after the Cross Matthew 24:20. The sabbath(s) that ended was ordinances, handwritten and contrary. The weekly Sabbath was finger-written by God, holy and blessed and a commandment of God- the context doesn't fit.

Hebrews was written decades after the cross...

Hebrews 4:9 NIV There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

Rest here literally translates into Sabbath-keeping

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

There are no contradictions in scripture, just misunderstandings and why we should never make a doctrine out of one verse especially when the context does not match up.

HIM · Jun 29, 2023

myst33 said:
There is no word "contained" in the Greek, so its irrelevant, but even though your favourite KJV added it, it does not change the point. The law is set aside, with both commandments and ordinances.

The word “in” is though.

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Leaf473 · Jun 29, 2023

Gary K said:
That is untrue. Read D'Abigne's 1400+ page multi-volume tome on the reformation. It took him 55 years to publish all of it from the date the date the first book of it was published to the date the last book was published. You can download it from Project Gutenberg.

Erasmus was a Protestant but a fearful one who refused to stand up and be counted.

Catholics, Protestants.... God used many different kinds of humans to compile the Bible, didn't he!

Just like he used humans to write it

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 1:3 - New American Standard Bible 1995

it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus;

www.biblegateway.com

Valletta · Jun 29, 2023

Gary K said:
D'Abigne is the foremost historian on the Reformation to this day. His history of the Reformation was a lifelong project. It took him 55 years to publish all the books contained in it.

Erasmus was basically a forerunner of the Reformation. Unfortunately for him he was also cowardly and ended up turning against Luther with whom he was at one time friends with.

The Church is made up of sinners. Jesus did not separate the wheat from the tares so there have been and will be problems within the Catholic Church. Many that remain Catholic, now and then, work within the Church to keep the faith. One can criticize what is going on in the portion of Christ's Church on earth and still keep the faith. I, for example, am very critical of the policies of Pope Francis toward China but believe all Catholic dogma. The three leaders of the Protestant revolt all came up with their own different beliefs of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist, a core Catholic belief, so they separated from the Church. I would not be calling anyone a coward because they did not believe and follow new beliefs of men.

Leaf473 · Jun 29, 2023

HIM said:
Romans 10:6-8 paraphrases Deut 30:10-14 which is actually the first time the New Covenant was given in respect to the Law, the word, being put in the heart of the believer that we do it. Deut 29:1.

The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah was future, it happens "after those days".

Bible Gateway passage: Jeremiah 31:33 - New American Standard Bible 1995

“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

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HIM said:
There is your proof.

Proof of what? Please do a demonstration of how you separate laws into commandments, statutes, judgments, and ordinances

HIM said:
You don't have to these post these links for me. I don't ever click on them. fyi

That's cool, I love posting the word of God. And I found that cool way to do it using Biblegateway

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 6:9 - New American Standard Bible 1995

You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

www.biblegateway.com

ozso · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
The majority of people do not keep God’s holy Sabbath commandment, so of course there will be commentary to support that. It’s impossible for the Sabbath commandment to be nailed to the cross. God said we cannot subtract or add to His commandment Deut 4:2, God blessed the Sabbath commandments and man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so you would need a thus saith the Lord which doesn’t exist- the weekly Sabbath was kept decades after the cross, so not nailed to the cross, the earthy temple was modeled after God’s heavenly Temple Heb 8:5 Rev 11:19 so not possible.

Here’s other commentary

Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Most likely the majority of those people were Sunday worshipers who did not keep the seventh day sabbath.

Leaf473 · Jun 29, 2023

Gary K said:
Sorry for not answering this sooner. I somehow missed it.

No problem at all

Gary K said:
Yes. Moses was given all the ceremonial laws afterwards.

Are all the laws other than the Ten Commandments ceremonial laws?

Gary K said:
The 10 commandments were spoken by Jesus on Sinai in Exodus 20. The ceremonial laws were given beginning in Exodus 21. Thus they had to have been given later.

Well... This is given before the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai. Is it a commandment?

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 12:3 - New Living Translation

Announce to the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each family must choose a lamb or a young goat for a sacrifice, one animal for each household.

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trophy33 · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
Or we can just accept God's Authority, the Author of His eternal commandments Matthew 5:19, Rev 11:19 that He did not leave up to man to write. Exodus 32:16 How wonderful we have a God that loves us so much He would come down to earth to personally give us His moral commandments. Psalms 119:172 so we do not need to guess the proper way to live Romans 7:7 which is why Jesus came to do the will of the Father John 6:38 and kept His Father's commandments John 15:10 and is the way John 14:6 and our example to follow 1 John 2:6

The Sabbath commandment was not eternal, as already demonstrated. It was a shadow of the reality that came in Christ.

Leaf473 · Jun 29, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Apparently when Isaiah 66:23 says:

"From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord."

"Sabbath" means the 4th commandment sabbath.

But when Colossians 2:16 says:

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day"

"Sabbath" does not mean the 4th commandment Sabbath.

Yes, Isaiah 66:23 is often quoted to support the idea that we will be keeping the Sabbath in the future. It's usually quoted in isolation, because quoting the surrounding verses creates other issues.

But also and maybe more interestingly, whether we translate it was new moons and sabbaths or months and weeks, one is still left with trying to explain why we are gathering to worship God on a monthly basis... in Jerusalem.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2023

What issues?

Isaiah 66:22“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Hard to make the Sabbath end at the cross if it will be celebrated in heaven coming before the Lord from one Sabbath to another to worship Him, like we should do now on the day the Lord set aside for holy use.

Are you referring to the New Moon? There was not a calendar in biblical times, so to keep track of times and the new month they did so through the moon. A New Moon just means new month. It's possible we will have a special gathering before the Lord every New Moon, or perhaps months will be an even 28 days and every New Moon will also be the Sabbath, hard to say, but regardless of what the Lord has in mind for, the Sabbath continues, and I hope to part of God's heavenly kingdom. Those who do not want to keep the Sabbath now, I wonder if they would want to in heaven, God does not force us against our will and His will is not different in heaven as it is on this earth- which is why the Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 and man celebrated the first Sabbath in the presence of God Genesis 2:1-3 and Sabbath worship will be back in the presence of God when sin and sinners will be no more- just God's eternal rest where there will be no more rebellion to God.

trophy33 · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
Hard to make the Sabbath end at the cross if it will be celebrated in heaven coming before the Lord from one Sabbath to another to worship Him, like we should do now on the day the Lord set aside for holy use.

Instead of your personal interpretation, go with the teaching of the apostles - observing Jewish days is not important and it goes even against the gospel (Paul was quite emotional with Galatians who tried that).

SabbathBlessings · Jun 29, 2023

myst33 said:
Instead of your personal interpretation, go with the teaching of the apostles - observing Jewish days is not important and its even against the gospel (Paul was quite emotional with Galatians who tried that).

The apostles kept the commandments of God and told us its what matters 1 Cor 7:19 and was Sabbath-keeping for decades after the cross. Acts 13:42-44, Acts 18:4 Acts 1:12, Acts 13:14 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2 and said it remains for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV and continues in heaven Isaiah 66:22-23 There's a lot of scripture that would need to be deleted to make your interpretation work and scripture does not delete scripture.

There is not one mention of the Sabbath commandment in Galatians. Paul nor do any of the apostles have the authority to countermand God and His personally written commandments, nor did they want to. The followed Jesus who also kept the commandments and the Sabbath and is our example to follow.

Leaf473 · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
What issues?

Isaiah 66:22“For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Hard to make the Sabbath end at the cross if it will be celebrated in heaven coming before the Lord from one Sabbath to another to worship Him, like we should do now on the day the Lord set aside for holy use.

Are you referring to the New Moon? There was not a calendar in biblical times, so to keep track of times and the new month they did so through the moon. A New Moon just means new month. It's possible we will have a special gathering before the Lord every New Moon, or perhaps months will be an even 28 days and every New Moon will also be the Sabbath, hard to say, but regardless of what the Lord has in mind for, the Sabbath continues, and I hope to part of God's heavenly kingdom. Those who do not want to keep the Sabbath now, I wonder if they would want to in heaven, God does not force us against our will and His will is not different in heaven as it is on this earth- which is why the Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27 and man celebrated the first Sabbath in the presence of God Genesis 2:1-3 and Sabbath worship will be back in the presence of God when sin and sinners will be no more- just God's eternal rest where there will be no more rebellion to God.

Why is God choosing priests and Levites?

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 66:21 - New King James Version

And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites,” says the Lord.

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Gary K · Jun 29, 2023

Valletta said:
The Church is made up of sinners. Jesus did not separate the wheat from the tares so there have been and will be problems within the Catholic Church. Many that remain Catholic, now and then, work within the Church to keep the faith. One can criticize what is going on in the portion of Christ's Church on earth and still keep the faith. I, for example, am very critical of the policies of Pope Francis toward China but believe all Catholic dogma. The three leaders of the Protestant revolt all came up with their own different beliefs of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist, a core Catholic belief, so they separated from the Church. I would not be calling anyone a coward because they did not believe and follow new beliefs of men.

1. The Bible is not a "new belief of men". It is the word of God.

2. Whenever the threat of persecution to himself arose Erasmus would back away from his beliefs. That is not brave behavior.

Leaf473 · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
The bible was written and compiled through the Holy Spirit. 2 Tim 3:16 Yes, the RCC got a hold of the scriptures and instead of sharing it like we are told to in scripture, it was locked up- called the dark ages, and through the Holy Spirit and the Reformers God's Word prevailed and how it was given to the masses. The RCC claim a lot of things, but most contradicts scripture, so not a reliable source if we are to trust God's Word.

Looking over the intervening posts, pretty much everyone agrees that the Bible was inspired, written, and compiled by the Holy Spirit.

God did not miraculously write the Bible, in the sense that humans picked up pens and pressed them to paper, or whatever.

In the same way, God did not miraculously compile the Bible, he used humans. Which humans did he use?

trophy33 · Jun 29, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
The apostles kept the commandments of God and told us its what matters 1 Cor 7:19 and was Sabbath-keeping for decades after the cross. Acts 13:42-44, Acts 18:4 Acts 1:12, Acts 13:14 Acts 15:21 Acts 16:13, Acts 17:2 and said it remains for the people of God Hebrews 4:9 NIV and continues in heaven Isaiah 66:22-23 There's a lot of scripture that would need to be deleted to make your interpretation work and scripture does not delete scripture.

There is not one mention of the Sabbath commandment in Galatians. Paul nor do any of the apostles have the authority to countermand God and His personally written commandments, nor did they want to. The followed Jesus who also kept the commandments and the Sabbath and is our example to follow.

Post at least one instruction given after the cross to Gentiles or to Christians to keep the Sabbath day. Certainly, if important, it would be mentioned many times.

If you cant, then there is not much to talk about. Just trying to dismiss verses saying we do not have to observe days is not enough, if you do not have any verse saying the opposite.

Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

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