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The ocean were creaed or deepened by the flood year. Save in some spots most of the accumulation in the oceans would come since the flood.
I don't know how much of the sediment in the oceans is from the flood or later. There would be great accumulation events after the flood by the way.
Good, good! Someone finally shows up to participate.
Ok, from what I understand, your argument is that God and the Bible are evidenced from their work in people's lives and communities.
I'm sorry, Byers, but that's much too vague. You need to give us specific examples of God intervening in somebody's life. Because, guess what? All throughout history, people have claimed their fortunes and misfortunes to be the work of Gods.
Look at the Greeks. They owed everything that happened to them or to others to the Gods, Apollo, Zeus, Hades. WE know they don't exist. But in our "above such rubbish" modern society, people still attribute their fortune and misfortune to God. When in fact, their is no way to tell that it was not simply the normal happenings of everyday life.
The point is that 'God's work in people's lives' can be attributed to any God that has ever been conceived. In the end it still comes down to faith. God never just poofs into a hospital room full of praying family members and goes "I have heard your prayers, and this man will live for your great faith." No. That doesn't happen. And because that doesn't happen, you must accept on faith that the man lived because God willed it so.
And yes Christianity has brought together communities. So has every other religion in history. No deal.
"In minor off broadway pursuits called historical sciences there is an attempt to say earth evidence proves the bible wrong on genesis."
In the historical sciences (I'm guessing you mean geology and the like) the evidence does not say the Bible is wrong on Genesis. Now listen very carefully, because this is an extremely important point for a christian to understand:
Evidence proves wrong not the Bible, but a specific interpretation of the Bible.
Try to understand this. Many, many, many CHRISTIANS accept evolution. Many, many many CHRISTIANS accept the fact that the earth is billions of years old. And it does no damage to their faith, because they understand that there are different interpretations of Genesis.
Summing up your post, what you believe is you do not have to prove the earth is young, because you're specific interpretation of Genesis says that it is young.
In conclusion (lol) this stance in fallacious because:
1.) That is not the only interpretation of Genesis
2.) This requires you to give evidence that the Bible is correct anyways. And no, 'God's work in people's lives and communities' doesn't make the cut. The Greeks can't use that argument and neither can you.
Deep time is not a presumption. It is a conclusion inferred from the preponderance of the physical evidence.It is up to anyone to demonstrate the earth is old when there is no reason to presume it is.
Only if you interpret it wrong.From the bible we know geology is not old.
And this has been done over and over here in this forum.Its up to the side who says its old to show good much evidence.
What "creationist criticism?" "This all makes sense in a biblical framework," does not constitute criticism.Any points brought up here or anywhere fail under creationist crticism.
And we do, as you have read many times here.If you were right you would have lots of evidence.
LOL! It is the consensus of the geological community, and has been since the mid nineteenth century. Your arrogance in describing experts in their field (a field you are woefully ignorant of) as "incompetent or unimaginative" is remarkably unChristian-like. You are the one who is "unimaginative," since you read the Bible like it was a history book written by Dr. Seuss. A little hint for you... Dr. Seuss never wrote a history book.The few people in geology just have been incompetent or unimaginitive in figuring out these past and gone events.
This is off subject. I talk scienceish stuff and not biblical evidence.
I only state the evidence for Christianity is immense including in peoples lives. This is so a good point if true. Its true.
Genesis insists on a young earth especially about life and geology.
Since the fall I mean Before that is possible to contend but unlikely that there was time agoing.
It is up to anyone to demonstrate the earth is old when there is no reason to presume it is.
From the bible we know geology is not old.
Its up to the side who says its old to show good much evidence.
Any points brought up here or anywhere fail under creationist crticism.
If you were right you would have lots of evidence.
The few people in geology just have been incompetent or unimaginitive in figuring out these past and gone events.
Scienceish? Where? I've never seen you talk anything even vaguely resembling science.This is off subject. I talk scienceish stuff and not biblical evidence.
No. Perhaps there's evidence that it can make people happier (is there?). But I have yet to see any evidence in people's life (or anywhere else) that it's true.I only state the evidence for Christianity is immense including in peoples lives.
Then demonstrate it is.This is so a good point if true. Its true.
Where does it insist on a young earth?Genesis insists on a young earth especially about life and geology.
Zero marks. Show us your reasoning.Since the fall I mean Before that is possible to contend but unlikely that there was time agoing.
And precisely that's what the first geologists did when there was no reason to presume the earth was old.It is up to anyone to demonstrate the earth is old when there is no reason to presume it is.
I'm curious. Care to supply a few relevant quotes?From the bible we know geology is not old.
You are late by about 200 years if memory serves.Its up to the side who says its old to show good much evidence.
Then why have I seen very few of them fail, here or elsewhere?Any points brought up here or anywhere fail under creationist crticism.
Thing is, we have. What's more, you've been shown and explained multiple pieces of it multiple times. I'm left with the conclusion that you don't understand geology, don't care or both.If you were right you would have lots of evidence.
*raised eyebrows*The few people in geology just have been incompetent or unimaginitive in figuring out these past and gone events.
This is off subject. I talk scienceish stuff and not biblical evidence.
I only state the evidence for Christianity is immense including in peoples lives. This is so a good point if true. Its true.
Genesis insists on a young earth especially about life and geology. Since the fall I mean Before that is possible to contend but unlikely that there was time agoing.
.
It is up to anyone to demonstrate the earth is old when there is no reason to presume it is. From the bible we know geology is not old.
Its up to the side who says its old to show good much evidence.
Any points brought up here or anywhere fail under creationist crticism.
If you were right you would have lots of evidence.
The few people in geology just have been incompetent or unimaginitive in figuring out these past and gone events.
Good, good! Someone finally shows up to participate.
Ok, from what I understand, your argument is that God and the Bible are evidenced from their work in people's lives and communities.
I'm sorry, Byers, but that's much too vague. You need to give us specific examples of God intervening in somebody's life. Because, guess what? All throughout history, people have claimed their fortunes and misfortunes to be the work of Gods.
Look at the Greeks. They owed everything that happened to them or to others to the Gods, Apollo, Zeus, Hades. WE know they don't exist. But in our "above such rubbish" modern society, people still attribute their fortune and misfortune to God. When in fact, their is no way to tell that it was not simply the normal happenings of everyday life.
The point is that 'God's work in people's lives' can be attributed to any God that has ever been conceived. In the end it still comes down to faith. God never just poofs into a hospital room full of praying family members and goes "I have heard your prayers, and this man will live for your great faith." No. That doesn't happen. And because that doesn't happen, you must accept on faith that the man lived because God willed it so.
And yes Christianity has brought together communities. So has every other religion in history. No deal.
"In minor off broadway pursuits called historical sciences there is an attempt to say earth evidence proves the bible wrong on genesis."
In the historical sciences (I'm guessing you mean geology and the like) the evidence does not say the Bible is wrong on Genesis. Now listen very carefully, because this is an extremely important point for a christian to understand:
Evidence proves wrong not the Bible, but a specific interpretation of the Bible.
Try to understand this. Many, many, many CHRISTIANS accept evolution. Many, many many CHRISTIANS accept the fact that the earth is billions of years old. And it does no damage to their faith, because they understand that there are different interpretations of Genesis.
Summing up your post, what you believe is you do not have to prove the earth is young, because you're specific interpretation of Genesis says that it is young.
In conclusion (lol) this stance in fallacious because:
1.) That is not the only interpretation of Genesis
2.) This requires you to give evidence that the Bible is correct anyways. And no, 'God's work in people's lives and communities' doesn't make the cut. The Greeks can't use that argument and neither can you.
Hey, I found something, sort of.
Wild Sheep Descended From Single Pair Show Surprising Genetic Diversity
Makes it seem slightly less implausible that we're all descendants of Noah.
(Not a creationist myself, mind. Just saying.)
I talk scienceish stuff and not biblical evidence.
Genesis insists on a young earth especially about life and geology.
and a couple of lines later:
That's right, consol!You have to remember that for creationists, if the bible says it, then that's how it is.
There is no argument that will sway them, no data that will change their minds.......nothing. They will take the bible literally and believe it.....full stop.
This is an amazingly difficult thing to comprehend because as scientists you get used to being slapped down and re-configuring your ideas due to new data - this is part of the course of science. To come across an absolute ideology is an anathema to the scientific methodology.
Hey, I found something, sort of.
Wild Sheep Descended From Single Pair Show Surprising Genetic Diversity
Makes it seem slightly less implausible that we're all descendants of Noah.
(Not a creationist myself, mind. Just saying.)
We all are, I think.I'm still waiting for some evidence.
We could probably wait here til the sun expands to the point that the earth becomes inhospitable to life, and still not get any evidence from the YECs....Waiting....
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