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paul1149 said:All4,
I'm not sure of the asleep/wakefulness distinction, as I had a vision once just as I fell asleep. I think the critical parameter is literalness. Dreams use more symbolism, visions are more literal. But I'm not perfectly clear on the whole thing.
Spritual v soulical dreaming is something I grapple with. I generally think there can be value to soulical dreams though, if we take them as indicators of what's going on under the hood and then seek how God would have us respond. Here I like Paul's guidance:
Always be joyful.
Continually be prayerful.
In everything be thankful, because this is Gods will for you in the Messiah Jesus.
Do not put out the Spirits fire.
Do not despise prophecies.
Instead, test everything. Hold on to what is good.
Keep away from every kind of evil.
May the God of peace himself make you holy in every way. And may your whole beingspirit, soul, and bodyremain blameless when our Lord Jesus, the Messiah, appears.
The one who calls you is faithful, and he will continue to be faithful. -1Thess 5:16-24
I have dreams often, but they and their importance comes and goes in seasons. I have had some very powerful ones that will stay with me forever.
I have felt uneasy at times interpreting for others, because either I'm not sure of myself or I fear the effect, especially when dealing on an internet forum rather than RL. I'm learning to wait on the Lord in difficult situations, because how something is said can be critical. I do think it is possible to get the interp but the Lord would have us hold it, but that would be rare.
As you can see, much of this is not written in stone. I'm just learning.
Firewater and Sam... Thank you so very much for your feedback.
GarySn... Thank you also for your contribution to the thread. I cannot say that I agree with you or share your same opinion on dreams and visions but I do appreciate your time in sharing.
In general, I truly believe in the gift of dreams and visions and their divine inspiration, revelation, impartation and interpretation that they provide. I cannot praise God enough or them.
~For Your glory Lord {iPad}
Hey everyone.
So I've been thinking about a few things lately regarding the differences between visions and dreams. I wanted to ask a few questions.
1. In your opinion why are the clear differences between visions and dreams (other then the being awake and asleep)?
2. What are some of your experiences with visions?
3. What are some if your experiences with dreams?
4. Is there a general theme with your own dreams?
5. How often o you interpret other peoples dreams and do you interpret your own?
6. When do you know it's a God given dream or vision vs. your own carnal mind?
7. Have you ever been uneasy providing the interpretation to someone?
8. Do you always share the interpretation with the dreamer?
Just a few questions that I would like to use to provoke dialogue and hopefully provide a bet of clarity between what I deal with and what others may deal with.
~For Your glory Lord {iPad}
Hey everyone.
1. In your opinion why are the clear differences between visions and dreams (other then the being awake and asleep)?
I have always held the belief that they are only defined by being awake or asleep. Your question has made me look it up in the Lexicon and it seems that the word vision and dream are interchangable in scripture. This is what it said;
[SIZE=+1]1[/SIZE] vision, in the ecstatic state ׳ראה ח Joel 3:1; ׳גּי (אח valley of vision Isaiah 22:1,5.
[SIZE=+1]2[/SIZE] vision, in the night חֶזְיוֺנ(וֺתלַיְלָה Job 4:13; Job 20:8; Job 33:15; "" חֲלֹמוֺת Job 7:14. [SIZE=+1]3[/SIZE] divine communication in a vision, oracle, prophecy: "" דברים 2 Samuel 7:17 ( = חזון 1 Chronicles 17:15); יֵבשׁוּ אִישׁ מֵחֶזְיֹנוֺ בְּהִנָּ˜כְאֹתוֺ Zechariah 13:4 they will be ashamed, every one of his vision when he prophesieth.
In Job it says ""Amid disquieting thoughts from the visions of the night, When deep sleep falls on men". This is one of many indicators that the terms vision and dream can be interchangable.
2. What are some of your experiences with visions?
I have only had visions while awake in the form of still life pictures or very short movement in them, as an answer to prayer for myself or during prayer for others. Like after asking where my car keys are...He shows me where they literally are via a mental picture. I consider this a vision. I have never had an "epic" or "panoramic movie" type of prophetic vision in my waking hours. I have had, however, many prophetic dreams. The first one that comes to mind was before I knew about prophetic dreams. It was my very first prophetic dream. In this dream, I saw my first love in bed with a woman who had extremely long black hair. I was walking up some steep narrow stairs (this is symbolic of a difficult thing to traverse in life) and at the top of the stairs, I opened a door (a symbolic transition) and I saw them in bed together. Shortly after that very heartbreaking tearful dream that I never shared with him, he came home from college and he had a new leather jacket on. I asked him where it came from(being led by the Spirit), knowing that he was a poor college student He broke down and told me that he was "living with" this girl, and he hadn't yet told me because he didn't want to hurt me..I asked him if she had very long black hair and he said "yes, it was down passed her waist". I knew that God was trying to buffer my immense pain, by revealing it in advance prophetically to me. This is the most common type of prophetic dreams that I have. Sometimes He shows me in dreams what He wants someone else to know about their life. I only share those if I have confirmation that a small piece of my dream is real (like the long black hair) and is in reality connected to that persons life. If I know that part of it is real and ihas been supernaturally revealed to me by God in the dream, then the rest of it is true too....and that is my indicator of sharing the dream with them.
4. Is there a general theme with your own dreams? I only have a repeating dream theme if I am spiritually deaf at that time, and He wants me to understand something, or to know something is coming.
5. How often do you interpret other peoples dreams and do you interpret your own? Dream interpretation is serious business, that requires a God given love for others and a true genuine interest in helping them....and is never a platform to promote ones self, ones knowledge of scripture, or anything else that is of "self". Having said that, and just to provide background (not promoting myself)...I have studied symolism and have read/interpreted thousands of dreams over the years (on line and in person), and I have a great passion to help people discover what their dream and/or God is pointing to. It is my ministry and not a hobby for me. Even with all of that experience, I do have the most trouble interpreting my own. I have also found that to be true for most others too. The reason is, we don't have an unbiased opinion of ourselves. We cannot see our true self clearly, like others directed by God can. We literally can't see the forest for the trees...we have too many misconceptions and broken self images caused by negative events of life, and too many other voices of outside influences, to have a perfect open view of our most base holy self. We are particularly slow to understand the good or complimentary dreams, or pieces within the dreams, that we have. God seems to inject uplifting compliments into our dreams more than we ever see. They are skipped right over. Someone else can easily point the good in a dream out to us, and then we are amazed at how we missed it.
6. When do you know it's a God given dream or vision vs. your own carnal mind? Yes, after prayer and setting it down to leave it at His feet. If we do those two things, and the dream continues to speak to us over many days, it is time to revist it as more important. I find that pizza dreams are more like a vapor that easily vanishes with time. I also have God given dreams that I can not only remember, but I can still "feel" them, years after they were given to me.
7. Have you ever been uneasy providing the interpretation to someone? Yes, but mostly in the wording of it, like Firewater said. It is difficult to express what you see that is corrective/directive when you have sensed that they are not open to it. But, then if I don't share it, I have that "blood on your hands" feeling and I go ahead and share it the best I can without diluting it with too much softness. I have had people get mad and then come back later and tell me that God showed them that He was talking to them in that dream, and that they were grateful I spoke the truth. I want to spare anybody pain, if I can. My desire is to help others see that God is indeed helping them and is talking to them. If what He is saying in the dream may be painful, then it is important, and will result in the dreamer being healed down the road. A smooth word is many times spoken by those who are manipulating us. The best way, I have found, is to lead them to discover on their own, what the dream is saying by asking the right questions of them in the first place. Jesus led the woman at the well, on her own self discovery without coming right out and telling her "all". She knew what to ask and how to answer too.
~For Your glory Lord {iPad}
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