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Those who observe OT law are under a CURSE

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Steve Petersen

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OK, who says you have to keep the Law to be saved?
 
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Seems that u insinuated that when the Law ended so is my faith.
 
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denim said:
Seems that u insinuated that when the Law ended so is my faith.
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How come when Peter says your faith is ended you don't believe him. That is what the verse says....
1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
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It is precisely the same word that Paul uses in Romans 10:4.
 
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Steve Petersen said:
How come when Peter says your faith is ended you don't believe him. That is what the verse says....

It is precisely the same word that Paul uses in Romans 10:4.
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Perhaps the NIV is clearer..
"for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls" 1 Peter 1:9

End result of your faith - what uour faith eventually will produce. Not the end of your faith
 
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Anti nomianism - in short means justified by faith alone without the need of any moral code (OT Law?)

Christians are supposed to live by the law of the Spirit of life in christ Jesus and not the Law of Sin and Death.
There is still a law but it is written in our hearts (Hebrews 10:16). Not written by the hands of men.
 
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denim said:
Perhaps the NIV is clearer..
"for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls" 1 Peter 1:9

End result of your faith - what uour faith eventually will produce. Not the end of your faith
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So how come the Greek 'telos' used here translates as 'end result' but the exact same Greek word you translate as 'end' in Romans 10:4?
 
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Steve Petersen said:
So how come the Greek 'telos' used here translates as 'end result' but the exact same Greek word you translate as 'end' in Romans 10:4?
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The end result of the law is salvation through faith in christ Jesus. This is what the Law points to in the end. The law will not cease to exist for others but it is nullified for Christians who are finally justified by faith. For Christians, the law no longer is needed.
 
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Salvation is still by following the Law. Now, through Jesus the Laws are writen on our hearts...Jeremiah 31:33

Mathew 23 Jesus condemed the Rabbis for making strange man made Laws which Jews were to follow. There are over 15,000 Rabbi Laws, such as tearing toilet paper ahead of the Sabbath so they didn't work on the Sabbath.
 
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Salvwtion is not by the law. We all know "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Eph 2:8
This is the crux of Christianity.

But Paul tells Christians "to work out salvation with fear and trembling" Phi 2:12. - meaning one could actually lose his salvation.
 
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You presume that the Law was a means of justification. It never was. Now, can we move beyond this and ask, 'Can the Law be a guide for proper conduct for a Christian?'
 
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Steve Petersen said:
You presume that the Law was a means of justification. It never was. Now, can we move beyond this and ask, 'Can the Law be a guide for proper conduct for a Christian?'
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You fail to understand the crux of NT principle - everything is in the heart and not physical. Circumcision in the heart not physical circumcision, cleasing of thd heart not ceremonial cleansing and law etitten in the hrart not hand written laws.

You cannot argue Gal 3:10 away -

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
Gal 3:10

One is under a curse if he chooses to obey only part of the OT law . This is what the Bible clearly states.
 
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Which of the Ten Commandments aren't you required to keep?
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The whole 660 OT laws is superceeded by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus written in our hearts.

The Holy Spirit would tell u what is right and what is wrong. And the Holy Spirit will teach you much much more than the 660 OT Law.

The bible says " but when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth." John 16:13

If one insists of keeping the OT laws, he is clinging to the past and negating the work of Jesus at Calvary.

Perhaps thats why he is under a curse.
 
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So, would the Holy Spirit ever lead you to commit murder, idolatry, or adultery? Three of the Ten.
 
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Steve Petersen said:
So, would the Holy Spirit ever lead you to commit murder, idolatry, or adultery? Three of the Ten.
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Perhaps you think only the OT laws has exclusive rights to "Do not murder, Do not worship other Gods, Do not comjit adultery"?
And you assume the Holy Spirit would not teach us all these??

You have to be real careful not to talk about the Holy Spirit in a negative light. Jesus said Blasphemy agains the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.
 
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You didn't answer the question. I would have thought the obvious answer would be 'No.'
 
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You didn't answer the question. I would have thought the obvious answer would be 'No.'
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I know where your question will lead to. You are trying to tell me the OT law contains many good things and should not be dropped.

I just cut to the chase by giving u this explanation.

We can find many goods things in the OT as well as in human laws or even in the books of other religions. But under the new covenant , we no longer need to refer to the OT laws because Jesus has come.
 
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So, would you agree that the Holy Spirit would NOT lead you to murder, adultery, or idolatry?

Last chance to answer clearly.
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Yes the HS would not lead us tp those and zillion more bad things that are NOT covered by the OT eg taking drugs, financial white collar crimes etc. In a sense instruction from the HS is more superior than the rudimentary OT law.
 
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