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Why would anyone think that it takes some special ability to believe in Christ? God made a promise, which is eternal life. 1 Jn 2:25 - This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.Actually God came to you. Chose you.
What makes you seem so special that you had the ability to choose Jesus as your savior?
I'd love to see any verse that teaches this.Because God is not obligated to regenerate even one person. Whom He does regenerate are those whom He ordained to salvation
Why would anyone think that it takes some special ability to believe in Christ? God made a promise, which is eternal life. 1 Jn 2:25 - This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.
How much "ability" does it take to believe what God promises? Anyone with an intact intellect is able to believe that. Yet, many do not believe that.
I'd love to see any verse that teaches this.
Exactly true,It doesn't take special ability, it takes ability, something that the heathen (all unbelievers) do not possess. Unless God opens their heart (via regeneration), they simply will not believe. And that kind of faith is not intellectual ability, it is spiritual ability, which those who are dead in their sins do not have.
Where does the Bible say that all unbelievers do not possess the ability to believe? If that were true, then Paul's answer to the jailer who asked specifically what he MUST DO to be saved was phony.It doesn't take special ability, it takes ability, something that the heathen (all unbelievers) do not possess.
Except the Bible doesn't teach that. Paul's answer to the jailer clearly refutes that.Unless God opens their heart (via regeneration), they simply will not believe.
Where does the Bible teach about spiritual ability, and where does the Bible differentiate between the 2?And that kind of faith is not intellectual ability, it is spiritual ability, which those who are dead in their sins do not have.
If one would only read v.14 in context, they would understand what it is speaking about. It certainly is not speaking about the gospel, for many unbelievers do fully understand the claims of the gospel, yet reject it.Exactly true,
1 Corinthians 2
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I don't see any connection between my comment and your response. I noted from Scripture that salvation (being made alive) is through faith. Proving that faith (belief in the gospel) precedes regeneration. Which you've not refuted.
The action of believing is not a gift."
And this is EXACTLY why until the day that I pass from this earth I will say what a horrible doctrine Calvinism is.Because God is not obligated to regenerate even one person. Whom He does regenerate are those whom He ordained to salvation, and foreknew (not what they would do, but who they would be). Tough as it may be to swallow, God predestined some to salvation, and did not predestine others to salvation. That is His right to do as Sovereign God. Why he did so that way has not been fully revealed to us (mankind). Every person plays a part in His Plan. Man is not and cannot thwart God's Plan and Purpose. It is all proceeding according to His Plan and Purpose.
No I am here. She is not the sole survivor.It's been refuted several times by several people. You seem to be the sole survivor of your doctrine.
Just for the record, you must have been quite the dead soul. That is having the ability to be spiritually dead yet believe in the gospel....despite the verses that inform us it does't work that way.
...arn't you glad your belief in the order of salvation doesn't matter concerning out salvation?
You should read what you write. It should be mandatory for participants of this thread.God giving us the ability to believe is a gift. Believing is simply using the gift.
So what part of the Bible specifically talks about this regeneration process?That's not what I said. I said faith comes later as it is what is also given to us at the moment of regeneration.
...are you still denying faith is a gift from God?
This always is FG2's response to Scripture verses he just can't handle.So, to prove your view, please exegete each one of them to show that they MEAN what you claim.
This is about those who are unsaved, not understanding the spiritual truths in the Bible.Exactly true,
1 Corinthians 2
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
It would help if you guys made your case using verses in context.This always is FG2's response to Scripture verses he just can't handle.
Believe me guys, you're wasting your time showing him Scriptures!
Don't know if you're talking to me or not.Maybe the problem is that you have not proven your case? I'm not seeing it either.
He is by far the sole survivor of the doctrine outlined in the Bible. Just he is doing a good enough job proving what the Bible clearly states which is not what the Calvinist doctrine of election teaches. So no one else has needed to join inIt's been refuted several times by several people. You seem to be the sole survivor of your doctrine.
Just for the record, you must have been quite the dead soul. That is having the ability to be spiritually dead yet believe in the gospel....despite the verses that inform us it does't work that way.
...arn't you glad your belief in the order of salvation doesn't matter concerning out salvation?
I guess I'm still a little stuck on the title of this thread which promises some great truth that will end the discussion forever.Don't know if you're talking to me or not.
IMO, cases don't need to be proven!
Either a guy believes a Scripture verse, or he doesn't
(in the context of the entire NT, of course).
But, this often requires some spiritual discernment, revelation even.
Fleshly understanding just won't cut it.
IMO, any kind of a deep spiritual Truth only comes via spiritual revelation.
Yea but Zach, we have shown you where what you believe the Bible to say does not match up with what we think it says..and we use other verses to explain and support our position. You have not. You have done nothing but regurgitate the same verses over and over again. You have not explained to us how you feel those verses mean what you claim they mean, we obviously get a different meaning out of those same verses and have shown you that.Don't know if you're talking to me or not.
IMO, cases don't need to be proven!
Either a guy believes a Scripture verse, or he doesn't
(in the context of the entire NT, of course).
But, this often requires some spiritual discernment, revelation even.
Fleshly understanding just won't cut it.
IMO, any kind of a deep spiritual Truth only comes via spiritual revelation.
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