this is just a question

If someone's saved, someone is saved. If not God only knows.

Remember that depression can severly limit anybody's freedom.

God is the only one to judge, thankfully. Trust in his love and mercy.

fadedglory said:

if someone is saved, but commits suicide will he/she still go to heaven?

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the above post answers it far better than i could.

I wish I could be convinced of that. I have often wondered that myself. I have suffered periodic deep depression throughout my life and I firmly believe that if I take my life, it is a slap in the face of God and of our Savior. I just don't know...

fadedglory said:

if someone is saved, but commits suicide will he/she still go to heaven?

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I have a sneaking suspicion that this isnt a hypothetical question.
I got this next passage from the site - gotquestions.org

What does the Bible say about a Christian who commits suicide? I do not believe that a Christian who commits suicide will lose salvation and go to hell. The Bible teaches that from the moment a person truly believes in Christ, he or she is eternally secure (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life no matter what happens. “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love! “For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). If no “created thing” can separate a Christian from God’s love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a “created thing,” then not even suicide can separate him from God’s love. Jesus died for all of our sins...and if a true Christian were to, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commit suicide - that would be a sin that Jesus died for.

According to the Bible, suicide is murder; it is always wrong. I would have serious doubts about the genuineness of faith of anyone who claimed to be a Christian yet committed suicide. There is no circumstance that can justify someone, especially a Christian, taking his or her own life. Christians are called to live their lives for God – the decision on when to die is God’s and God’s alone. Perhaps a good way to illustrate suicide for a Christian would be from the Book of Esther. The Persians had a law that anyone who came before the king uninvited could be put to death unless the king extended his scepter towards the person - indicating mercy. Suicide for a Christian would be forcing your way in to see the King instead of waiting for Him to summon you. He will point His scepter towards you, sparing your eternal life, but that does not mean He is happy with you. Although it is not describing suicide, the Bible verse 1 Corinthians 3:15 is probably a good description of what happens to a Christian who commits suicide: “He himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.”


If im correct and this is pertaining to you or someone close to you please seek help and counseling. God loves you. He will help whoever it is to work through problems.

fadedglory said:

if someone is saved, but commits suicide will he/she still go to heaven?

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Please, please PM me!

Believe me, please, when I say I have been there.

Gentle hugs and tender love to you,

(((fadedglory))))

Corin said:

I would have serious doubts about the genuineness of faith of anyone who claimed to be a Christian yet committed suicide.

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That's a very interesting perspective on suicide and salvation, one in which I've never heard used in this debate, and thinking about it, I would have to agree completely. There's the usual arguments about suicide being "unforgivable" because it's murder, or because the final act denies one the chance to repent, taking one's life against the will of God, etc. But suicide as the outward action and expression of one's relationship to God makes perfect sense.

I believe that once a person is saved, nothing can tear us apart from God and cause us to lose our salvation, unless the person turns away and rejects God himself. But anyone coming to God and saved by Jesus Christ is imbued with the Holy Spirit and with that comes hope. No matter what circumstances fall upon us, no matter what personal struggles we endure, Christ in us means we put our faith and trust in God. We have hope because we believe in what his word says about him, what our personal experiences with God reminds us, and all of God's promises for the future.

But the act of killing oneself to escape one's suffering and this world is the final resolute act of desolation, desperation, and loss of all hope. One would hold off suicide if there is even a glimmer of hope that things can get better or that life is worth living. But suicide means the complete absence of all hope. For the Christian, that would mean you have lost all faith and trust in God, his sovereign ability to be in control of all things, and his willingness to help you through the worse of times and see you prosper in life.

Suicide is always a tragic event. But when seen from this perspective of what it must mean for someone who had tasted the joy of faith and trust in God to then find himself feeling completely abandoned and rejected that he no longer has hope, that even God can't help them, is so utterly sad to me. So much so that it's perhaps even unbelievable, for the Bible says that anyone who has tasted the goodness of the Lord can never turn back. This would lead to the conclusion that perhaps the person committing suicide have never really experienced the joy and hope of placing their life in Christ.

Having said that, I understand that life happens and some things can get us really depressed and feeling hopeless. For me, during those hard times it's hard for me to think about anything else, so it's been really helpful to remind myself that God is still there. Remembering how he's been there in the past and that he's unwavering, reading his word and promises, and even having supportive friends and family all help to refocus attention and remind that yes, hope lives.

The best answer I can give you is "I dont know." It is an act that I neither condemn nor condone. I am not God though, so I shouldn't (and won't) speak for him. What I can say is that depression (which is the cause of most suicide) is a mental illness and can (and does) cause people to do things they normally wouldnt and vice versa. But If a person is in that situation they should tell somebody immediately. If somebody has done it and is saved I believe that God is just, and he deals with them in a way that is fair (whatever that may be). If you are just asking fyi, then I am sorry to bring all the other stuff up

I am so very concerned about her......