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There is no Creation Debate

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Subduction Zone said:
Wrong, people that wrote the Bible said that Jesus said that. It does not mean that Jesus said that. And there he was talking about the laws of the Old Testament. He was not talking about the scientific errors of the Bible.
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Wrong. Jesus confirmed Moses and Daniel and the rest of the gang were right as rain.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
Neither am I. Ice in a drink, how barbaric.

There is ice at Greenland and Antarctica that says you are wrong.
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It says no such thing. Maybe try asking flowers or clouds, see what they say.
 
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Wrong. Jesus confirmed Moses and Daniel and the rest of the gang were right as rain.
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I doubt if he did that. You have failed by quoting out of context before. Why don't you do so again. If Jesus was who the Bible says that he is he would not make such a gross error.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
Where? And if it says that it only means that your source is even less reliable than I thought.
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Start here.

Ge 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


De 32:18 -Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

1Ti 2:13 - For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
 
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So the Bible does not say what you said that it does. Why am I not surprised.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
So the Bible does not say what you said that it does. Why am I not surprised.
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Sure it does God formed man and the heavens.

Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Jesus is His name.
 
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Sure it does God formed man and the heavens.

Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Jesus is His name.
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Yes, but later interpretations dropped the "by Jesus Christ" line.

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/3-9.htm

It seems that there was an error in the KJV interpretation.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
Yes, but later interpretations dropped the "by Jesus Christ" line.

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/3-9.htm

It seems that there was an error in the KJV interpretation.
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Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 
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Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
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Still no Jesus in there.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
Still no Jesus in there.
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Still no Jesus in there.
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For lurkers, the chapter again makes it crystal clear who it is talking about.

: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:



 
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Yes, a slam dunk. It is still referring to God and not to Jesus.
 
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dad, you keep finding vague verses or even verses that were dropped due to error. And why? It seems that you want to make Jesus look incompetent. That is rather blasphemous to say the least. To me it makes more sense that the writers of the Bible were slightly incompetent rather than your version of God.
 
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Obviously the limits of science keep it from intelligently addressing issues of God and creation. The thread is about that epic fail.
 
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