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deacondean, name me a respected Bible version that doesn't tie "repent" and "baptized" to "for the remission of sins".
As for Luke 24:47 similarity, yes the similarity is there. It's also translated differently between the respected translations between "and" & "for". Either way doesn't affect me. Acts is not divided as to what it says.
Acts 2:37-41, again, clearly says 1) repent 2) be baptized 3)for the forgiveness of sins
1 John 1:7 absolutely says Jesus shed his blood to cleanse us from sin.
Question: "Does Acts 2:38 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?"
Answer: Acts 2:38, And Peter said to them, Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation. For more information, please visit our webpage on "Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works?"
Why, then, do some come to the conclusion that we must be baptized in order to be saved? Often, the discussion of whether or not this passage teaches baptism is required for salvation centers around the Greek word eis that is translated for in this passage. Those who hold to the belief that baptism is required for salvation are quick to point to this verse and the fact that it says be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, assuming that the word translated for in this verse means in order to get. However, in both Greek and English, there are many possible usages of the word for.
As an example, when one says Take two aspirin for your headache, it is obvious to everybody that it does not mean take two aspirin in order to get your headache, but instead to take two aspirin because you already have a headache. There are three possible meanings of the word for that might fit the context of Acts 2:38: 1--in order to be, become, get, have, keep, etc., 2because of, as the result of, or 3with regard to. Since any one of the three meanings could fit the context of this passage, additional study is required in order to determine which one is correct.
We need to start by looking back to the original language and the meaning of the Greek word eis. This is a common Greek word (it is used 1774 times in the New Testament) that is translated many different ways. Like the English word for it can have several different meanings. So, again, we see at least two or three possible meanings of the passage, one that would seem to support that baptism is required for salvation and others that would not. While both the meanings of the Greek word eis are seen in different passages of Scripture, such noted Greek scholars as A.T. Robertson and J.R. Mantey have maintained that the Greek preposition eis in Acts 2:38 should be translated because of or in view of, and not in order to, or for the purpose of.
One example of how this preposition is used in other Scriptures is seen in Matthew 12:41 where the word eis communicates the result of an action. In this case it is said that the people of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah (the word translated at is the same Greek word eis). Clearly, the meaning of this passage is that they repented because of or as the result of Jonahs preaching. In the same way, it would be possible that Acts 2:38 is indeed communicating the fact that they were to be baptized as the result of or because they already had believed and in doing so had already received forgiveness of their sins (John 1:12; John 3:14-18; John 5:24; John 11:25-26; Acts 10:43; Acts 13:39; Acts 16:31; Acts 26:18; Romans 10:9; Ephesians 1:12-14). This interpretation of the passage is also consistent with the message recorded in Peters next two sermons to unbelievers where he associates the forgiveness of sins with the act of repentance and faith in Christ without even mentioning baptism (Acts 3:17-26; Acts 4:8-12).
In addition to Acts 2:38, there are three other verses where the Greek word eis is used in conjunction with the word baptize or baptism. The first of these is Matthew 3:11, baptize you with water for repentance. Clearly the Greek word eis cannot mean in order to get in this passage. They were not baptized in order to get repentance, but were baptized because they had repented. The second passage is Romans 6:3 where we have the phrase baptized into (eis) His death. This again fits with the meaning because of or in "regard to." The third and final passage is 1 Corinthians 10:2 and the phrase baptized into (eis) Moses in the cloud and in the sea. Again, eis cannot mean in order to get in this passage because the Israelites were not baptized in order to get Moses to be their leader, but because he was their leader and had led them out of Egypt. If one is consistent with the way the preposition eis is used in conjunction with baptism, we must conclude that Acts 2:38 is indeed referring to their being baptized because they had received forgiveness of their sins. Some other verses where the Greek preposition eis does not mean in order to obtain are Matthew 28:19; 1 Peter 3:21; Acts 19:3; 1 Corinthians 1:15; and 12:13.
The grammatical evidence surrounding this verse and the preposition eis are clear that while both views on this verse are well within the context and the range of possible meanings of the passage, the majority of the evidence is in favor that the best possible definition of the word for in this context is either because of or in regard to and not in order to get. Therefore, Acts 2:38, when interpreted correctly, does not teach that baptism is required for salvation.
Besides the precise meaning of the preposition translated for in this passage, there is another grammatical aspect of this verse to carefully considerthe change between the second person and third person between the verbs and pronouns in the passage. For example, in Peters commands to repent and be baptized the Greek verb translated repent is in the second person plural while the verb be baptized, is in the third person singular. When we couple this with the fact that the pronoun your in the phrase forgiveness of your sins is also second person plural, we see an important distinction being made that helps us understand this passage. The result of this change from second person plural to third person singular and back would seem to connect the phrase forgiveness of your sins directly with the command to repent. Therefore, when you take into account the change in person and plurality, essentially what you have is You (plural) repent for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins, and let each one (singular) of you be baptized (singular). Or, to put it in a more distinct way: You all repent for the forgiveness of all of your sins, and let each one of you be baptized.
Another error that is made by those who believe Acts 2:38 teaches baptism is required for salvation is what is sometimes called the Negative Inference Fallacy. Simply put, this is the idea that just because a statement is true, we cannot assume all negations (or opposites) of that statement are true. In other words, just because Acts 2:38 says repent and be baptized .for the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, it does not mean that if one repents and is not baptized, he will not receive forgiveness of sins or the gift of the Holy Spirit.
There is an important difference between a condition of salvation and a requirement for salvation. The Bible is clear that belief is both a condition and a requirement, but the same cannot be said for baptism. The Bible does not say that if a man is not baptized then he will not be saved. One can add any number of conditions to faith (which is required for salvation), and the person can still be saved. For example if a person believes, is baptized, goes to church, and gives to the poor he will be saved. Where the error in thinking occurs is if one assumes all these other conditions, baptism, going to church, giving to the poor, are required for one to be saved. While they might be the evidence of salvation, they are not a requirement for salvation. (For a more thorough explanation of this logical fallacy, please see the Question: Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is required for salvation?).
The fact that baptism is not required to receive forgiveness and the gift of the Holy Spirit should also be evident by simply reading a little farther in the book of Acts. In Acts 10:43, Peter tells Cornelius that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins (please note that nothing at this point has been mentioned about being baptized, yet Peter connects believing in Christ with the act of receiving forgiveness for sins). The next thing that happens is, having believed Peters message about Christ, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message (Acts 10:44). It is only after they had believed, and therefore received forgiveness of their sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, that Cornelius and his household were baptized (Acts 10:47-48). The context and the passage are very clear; Cornelius and his household received both forgiveness of sins and the Holy Spirit before they were ever baptized. In fact, the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized was that they showed evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit just as Peter and the Jewish believers had.
In conclusion, Acts 2:38 does not teach that baptism is required for salvation. While baptism is important as the sign that one has been justified by faith and as the public declaration of ones faith in Christ and membership in a local body of believers, it is not the means of remission or forgiveness of sins. The Bible is very clear that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone (John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).
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1. The Believers Baptism (credobaptism) We believe that baptism should be by immersion and that it is an outward symbol of of an inward change that has already occurred.
Deacon Dean
I must say that you have totally proved your case and then some. Those who say that baptism is what washes away our sins have been completely overthrown and utterly defeated by your last post. You have done a bang up job... so congratulations!
deacondean, I will concede you don't want me to dive into the subject anymore. I have no idea how I'm supposed to learn how I am just missing context of Scripture demonstrating the Baptist position on this particular subject if it can't be discussed, even within the framework here. It seems you are more willing to fight for a Baptist flag than to discuss the issue from Scripture. However, I would concede my statements don't necessarily go with the original post and we seem to be at an impasse. I hoped to understand reasoning, but I'm not allowed to play on this playground (this thread) obviously. I still see holes. There the same type of holes other denominations use for their positions. Adding words not in the context. If I have learned anything from Dr. James White, Reformed Baptist theologian, it is to keep closely to context. Don't add. Don't subtract. I've yet to hear anyone claim I didn't do that. I've just heard people say the word in the Bible doesn't mean what it says.
I do appreciate the conversation and the insight. I'll keep examining the subject in light of this. Maybe I change my mind back someday. I just want to be consistent to Scripture and rocking a boat to understand reasons behind a dogma is a difficult thing to do.
The way I divide the 2 is that 2:38 speaks of spiritual things repentance, Spirit baptism, receiving the Spirit.Skypair, How do you make a disconnect of the word baptism when their is statement then response. Peter responds to their question, "what should we do?" with an statement to repent and be baptized in the name of Christ for the forgiveness of sins as not water baptism when "and you will" comes after the fact in relations to the Holy Spirit.
And let me add, this baptism is for children too(39), which I'm assuming requires a qualification on my oppositions part to what qualifies as children here.
They ask(37). Peter answers(38). They accepted(41).
That's a very good attitude, mike! A 1Cor 14:29-32 attitude whereby all may learn and all be comforted and the saints subject their beliefs to the other saints which usually results in the manifestation of the truth, 1Cor 11:19.Deacondean, I still go to a Baptist church. I understand the Baptist believe baptism is a symbol. But its been only recently my position has changed with listening to Lutherans and looking at Scripture. I find it more of an inconsistency within the Baptist circle than anything else. Traditions are hard to brake from and people's pride is more affected than anything. I'm certain not going around church condemning baptism as symbolic. I'd rather allow conversations in church to flow from questions when discussing Scripture and not divisiveness. It's just easier here to be open and still be respectful still here
Actually, it was Canaan .. named after Noah's grandson, the son of Ham. You seem to have gotten on the "Palestinian train" a little too early.And for years, the entire land was called its primary inhabitants, Palestine.
Here's a little different way to understand this: Judaism was both a religion and a government (political). When Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed, there was no basis for the religion or for the government in Israel anymore.But to the point, God has never destroyed Israel.
No, sir! Repentance in faith is the ONE thing that is true across the entire Bible! Whether face-to-face with God like Adam or Abraham or Job or the thief on the cross or whether a publican who simply prays with his head bowed, "God, be merciful to me a sinner," repentance is the ONLY way to salvation in Christ! If you say that it isn't, then you have already cut off the only means by which you can be saved.Nothing is Scripture says "repent and pray and you are saved", but I'm quite confident many would not condemn Baptist churches for doing this.
Which is to say that in 70 AD, the government of the nation, the religion of the people, and the spirit of Judaism, the old covenant. were destroyed.
skypair
Sure, and Paul said in Hebrews 8:13 (circa 55 AD) that the old covenant was "waxen old and ready to vanish" .. not had vanished, yet. And no nation (wheat) and not spirit — which Spirit was given to the church.According to Hebrews, a new covenant was established at the cross with the death of our Savior.
It is impossible to do so without the Temple in Jerusalem. Why do you think that the Jews are preparing already to rebuild it (in the tribulation)? Because they cannot carry out the sacrifices anywhere else.And again, untill May 1948, the nation of Israel did not exist.
Judaism has always been practiced.
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