the twelve tribes in Revelation 7

Angel of God · Nov 24, 2004

My tought about the twelve tribes of the sons of israel in Revelation 7.

Surely the saled are the Apostles
Therefore every (christian) tribues... has a number
of sealed that is 12.000 christians like the Apostles.
I think 12.000 is simbolic.........

I think the tribes are like the christian peoples because
the Reign has been given to christian peoples...........
Every christian people, I think, has its merit and can be
represented with the twelve disciples who haven't the same merits also..............................

I think it's ok but.....
what do you think?

Dad Ernie · Nov 24, 2004

Greetings Angel,

No, because if you read what follows there are multitudes from every nation, meaning the gentile church or saints, so the 12 tribes are most definately of Israel.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

israelthebride · Nov 24, 2004

And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates,
and at the gates twelve angels,
and names written thereon,
which are the names
of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

On the east three gates;
on the north three gates;
on the south three gates;
and on the west three gates.
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations,
and in them the names
of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
REV 21:12-14

The New YERU'SHALOM is marked for the Twelve Tribes.

LOVE, RICOEL

In Christ Forever · Nov 26, 2004

Angel of God said:
My tought about the twelve tribes of the sons of israel in Revelation 7.

Surely the saled are the Apostles
Therefore every (christian) tribues... has a number
of sealed that is 12.000 christians like the Apostles.
I think 12.000 is simbolic.........

I think the tribes are like the christian peoples because
the Reign has been given to christian peoples...........
Every christian people, I think, has its merit and can be
represented with the twelve disciples who haven't the same merits also..............................

I think it's ok but.....
what do you think?

There are 12 tribes mentioned, Judah is at the top of course.
There were 2 nations, House of Isreal [10 nothern tribes] and house of Judah[2 southern tribes/Levi/corrupt priest/rulers of Jerusalem]
There are also 2 beasts in revelation. The 10 horns on one apostate beast is attacking the other apostate beast with 2 horns. The gentiles trampling on Jerusalem in the first century, bringing both nations under ONE KING, CHRIST.

Revelation 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

reve 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot[2 horns], make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles[10 kings]. And they will tread the holy city[Harlot/Jerusalem] underfoot [for] forty-two months.

FreeinChrist · Nov 26, 2004

israelthebride said:
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates,
and at the gates twelve angels,
and names written thereon,
which are the names
of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

On the east three gates;
on the north three gates;
on the south three gates;
and on the west three gates.
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations,
and in them the names
of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
REV 21:12-14

The New YERU'SHALOM is marked for the Twelve Tribes.

LOVE, RICOEL

Isn't it also significant what the gates are made of - what gemstone, because that would match up with the breastplate of the high priest??

In Christ Forever · Nov 26, 2004

matt 23:Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees[corrupt priests of Levi/Judah] sit in Moses' seat. 36 "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! ..... 38 "See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 "for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed [is] He who comes in the name of the LORD!' "

Luke 21:22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and Wrath upon this people.

There are 12 tribes mentioned in revelation, Judah is at the top of course. I and a lot of others believe revelation is the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century as prophecied by Christ in matt 23, 24 and Luke 23, also Daniel.
There were 2 nations, House of Isreal [10 nothern tribes] and house of Judah[2 southern tribes/Levi/corrupt priest/rulers of Jerusalem]
There are also 2 beasts in revelation. The 10 horns on one apostate beast is attacking the other apostate beast with 2 horns. The gentiles trampling on Jerusalem in the first century, bringing both nations under ONE KING, CHRIST.

Revelation 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns[gentiles], and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns[Judah/Harlot/Jerusalem] like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

reve 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot[2 horns], make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles[10 kings]. And they will tread the holy city[Harlot/Jerusalem] underfoot [for] forty-two months.

Angel of God · Nov 27, 2004

I was not sure about my opinion on the 12 tribes
because Matthew 19, 28 says:
Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Apostles were jews and Jesus said He was the King of jews.
I think the number 12 is symbolic and represents the 12 apostles
who have Jesus as their King.
Twelve because Thomas represents who believes after having seen etc......
and twelve are the hours of the day.............
Therefore the sealed I think can be all the Christians........

Can it be possible?

Iosias · Nov 27, 2004

Angel of God said:
My tought about the twelve tribes of the sons of israel in Revelation 7.

Surely the saled are the Apostles
Therefore every (christian) tribues... has a number
of sealed that is 12.000 christians like the Apostles.
I think 12.000 is simbolic.........

I think the tribes are like the christian peoples because
the Reign has been given to christian peoples...........
Every christian people, I think, has its merit and can be
represented with the twelve disciples who haven't the same merits also..............................

I think it's ok but.....
what do you think?

I think that you are wong The 12 tribes are the 12 tribes of Israel

Iosias · Nov 27, 2004

Angel of God said:
Can it be possible?

No

See: http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.asp?ViewCommentary=Revelation+7&Version=DRBY

Angel of God · Nov 27, 2004

AV1611 said:
I think that you are wong The 12 tribes are the 12 tribes of Israel

Why 12?
They weren't twelve because twelve are the hours of the day like
the apostles....

Iosias · Nov 29, 2004

Angel of God said:
Why 12?
They weren't twelve because twelve are the hours of the day like
the apostles....

Revelation 7
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

G4m · Nov 29, 2004

AV1611 said:
Revelation 7
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Angel of God, here is one scripture that deals with the 12 apostles in Revelation:

Revelation 21
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Angel of God · Nov 29, 2004

G4m said:
Angel of God, here is one scripture that deals with the 12 apostles in Revelation:

Revelation 21
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Infact the Disciples who are like the apostles of Jesus Christ can go to Heaven; S.Thomas is an importat example that means also one who believes after having seen goes to Heaven.

Angel of God · Nov 29, 2004

Infact the Apostles were sealed in John 14, 1..4
"Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God;believe also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going."

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