The trinity

Exegete12 · Feb 15, 2006

LightOfEyes said:
"And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): 'O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' He will say: 'Glory be to you! It was not for me to say that which I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would have surely known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.'Peace.

Salaam LightofEyes: Muslims believe in one God. Christians believe in one God. Mohammed's argument was what he was being exposed to Catholicism, the worship of Mary.

Check out Koran 5:72 - 75 and 116. Here it is plain that Muslims are referring to the trinity to be God, Mary, and Jesus. Well, certainly God forbid. And Protestant Christians do not worship Mary or the Saints.

And ..... what about Koran 13: 39 "Mother of the book" can you comment on that!?

Peace.

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

S Walch said:
We Christians only say there is ONLY ONE GOD! When will you get this into your head!

fine, you've reduced me to this:

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I hope it's now clear to you, for the last time will I state that.

The Trinity isn't 3 Gods, it is One God, and One God only.

Yeah like the concept of the egg.It is 3 in one the white, the yolk and the shell.3 into 1 right?

Exegete12 · Feb 15, 2006

Is Allah a spirit?

Islam_mulia · Feb 15, 2006

AlHannah said:
Check out Koran 5:72 - 75 and 116. Here it is plain that Muslims are referring to the trinity to be God, Mary, and Jesus. Well, certainly God forbid. And Protestant Christians do not worship Mary or the Saints.
Peace.

Nowhere can you find in the Quran which says that Trinity = God, Mary and Jesus. The word 'Trinity' is not in the Quran. Similarly, nowhere in the Bible can you find Trinity = God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. The word 'trinity' is not in the bible or in the Quran.

The verses you quoted were in reference to christian cults during the Prophet's time who practiced a variant trinitarism. The Quran is clearly against ant association with God, be it trinitarism, Marianism, polytheism.

LightOfEyes · Feb 15, 2006

AlHannah said:
Salaam LightofEyes: Muslims believe in one God. Christians believe in one God. Mohammed's argument was what he was being exposed to – Catholicism, the worship of Mary.

Check out Koran 5:72 - 75 and 116. Here it is plain that Muslims are referring to the trinity to be God, Mary, and Jesus. Well, certainly God forbid. And Protestant Christians do not worship Mary or the Saints.

And ..... what about Koran 13: 39 "Mother of the book" – can you comment on that!?

Peace.

Salaam sister

Some Christians do worship Mary
http://www.answering-christianity.com/worship_mary.htm

ِِِAnd about 13: 39 "Mother of the book" : Actually the mother of the book is the allawh almahfoud means the guarded tablet this book will register the whole people deeds whether good or bad whether Muslim or not.
and its in the heavens.

Peace.

LightOfEyes · Feb 15, 2006

AlHannah said:
Is Allah a spirit?

Nobody can know.

Exegete12 · Feb 15, 2006

LightOfEyes said:
Nobody can know.

Allah is spirit. God is spirit. And them that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Fares · Feb 15, 2006

We dont worship Marry, she is a saint !
We worship only one God ! Our Father .

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

Fares said:
We dont worship Marry, she is a saint !
We worship only one God ! Our Father .

There are sects of christianity that worship marry, there are prayers that directed to her.This is worship.
Peace
yaqovzadeek

Vaneeza Malkah · Feb 15, 2006

There are christians that don't believe in trinity or triunity (the original corruption).

One thing muslims have not been able to explain is how they changed G-d's torah to make what G-d made unacceptable, accptable. For example muslims eat shrimp and camel, but look down on those who eat pork, yet G-d made all of these unacceptable.

DjDan · Feb 15, 2006

Iron Lion said:
yeah well they didnt go as far as to explain it in detail. They did clearly say yes though. But they werent clear in explainingt anything as far as saying "yes we believe in father son holy ghost. It seems like they just said yes to win me over.

So do mormons believe that Jesus is God? or a God? or just the son of God? Because from what ive read you believe that Jesus created the earth. Yet the bible clearly states that God created the bible.

Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He, being the only begotten in the flesh, works with God in everything he does. He is our advocate with the father, and we pray through his name. He is part of the 'godhead' (which consists of God the father, Jesus Christ his son, and the Holy Spirit) - and they work together with one exact purpose. Thus, in that sense they are one. (see John 17 - which talsk of the disciples also being made one with Jesus and God.... was it literal? no... but in purpose and character).

Jesus Christ created the world, under the direction of God our father.

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

Fares said:
We dont worship Marry, she is a saint !
We worship only one God ! Our Father .

So you are trying to say you don't worship Jesus neither.So he isn't god after all.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

DjDan said:
Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He, being the only begotten in the flesh, works with God in everything he does. He is our advocate with the father, and we pray through his name. He is part of the 'godhead' (which consists of God the father, Jesus Christ his son, and the Holy Spirit) - and they work together with one exact purpose. Thus, in that sense they are one. (see John 17 - which talsk of the disciples also being made one with Jesus and God.... was it literal? no... but in purpose and character).

Jesus Christ created the world, under the direction of God our father.

I thought David was the Begotten son too, or was that from another father, or did god forget he had another son, or was like Abraham with a bondswoman so GOD does not count it has a son.
How many sons did god actually have?

Fares · Feb 15, 2006

Are you slow ?
After all we have explained about the Trinity,
you make this remark ?
I worship the ideas the Jesus brought to us !
In otherwords the Word of God !
God is Jesus in flesh !
So when I say I worship God, it is obvious I worship Jesus as well, because they are One !

We are all sons of God, he is our spiritual Father and leader !

Go beleive in the lies of Mohammed the caravan raider who raised wars and slaugthered people in the name of God !

You are a lost case !

DjDan · Feb 15, 2006

yaqovzadeek said:
I thought David was the Begotten son too, or was that from another father, or did god forget he had another son, or was like Abraham with a bondswoman so GOD does not count it has a son.
How many sons did god actually have?

Whoever said David was the Begotten Son of God?

There was only one Begotten Son of God, and that was Jesus Christ.

DjDan · Feb 15, 2006

LightOfEyes said:
Yahh.

When GOD was in the garden of Gethsemane he fell on his face and Prayed to another GOD asking the other GOD :

Mt 26:39 O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Yes... a perfect example... but Orthodox Christians will passover that scripture and quote some irrelevant "I am the only ONE God; there is no other" type scripture.

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

DjDan said:
Whoever said David was the Begotten Son of God?

There was only one Begotten Son of God, and that was Jesus Christ.

I think you do not know your own scriptures. In the OT it says clearly in black and white.Read:

Ps 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

I have bolded it so you can see.GOD talking to David in the Psalms. May be the GOD you beleive in is not the same GOD as in the OT then because the one in the OT claims to have other sons too.Israel was the first born.
Read your bible or isit just blind following.
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
Aka James the Just

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

Fares said:
Are you slow ?
After all we have explained about the Trinity,
you make this remark ?
I worship the ideas the Jesus brought to us !
In otherwords the Word of God !
God is Jesus in flesh !
So when I say I worship God, it is obvious I worship Jesus as well, because they are One !

We are all sons of God, he is our spiritual Father and leader !

Go beleive in the lies of Mohammed the caravan raider who raised wars and slaugthered people in the name of God !

You are a lost case !

ya hessan , no I mean ya hemar, where in the bible does it say Jesus was GOD in flesh, can you quote from Jesus himself that he was GOD in flesh or is it just one of those flimsy blind faith beliefs. Use evidence and back up this claim.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

Fares · Feb 15, 2006

Read them and dont ignore the truth :

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t005.html

this link will show you that the Bible clearly say that Jesus is God ! I hope you will see the truth brother !

http://www.new-life.net/faq202.htm

And stop calling me hemar ya deb lol ! !

Jesus will save you eventually !

yaqovzadeek · Feb 15, 2006

Fares said:
In otherwords the Word of God !
God is Jesus in flesh !
So when I say I worship God, it is obvious I worship Jesus as well, because they are One !

We are all sons of God, he is our spiritual Father and leader !

You are a lost case !

Fares said:
We worship only one God ! Our Father !

You seem to be contradicting yourself. Are you saying Jesus is the father,
When he prays the lords prayer is he praying to himself?

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mt 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted,

again is he refering to himself, another Question if he and the father are one and the same thing How the heck will he sit on the right hand of the father in Heaven, that is abit a mess isn't try and explain that.The father will sit on the right of the father.I think you are the one who is slow.In the Garden of Gethsemane who was he crying to, Himself ?

Mt 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Did he talk to himself?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father‘s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Does mean i am the father,when one says the boss sent me i come in his name does not mean i am the boss

the message is clear:Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father‘s hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

They are one in message and beleif NOT 1 person.Come on man wake up and smell the coffee.don't follow blindly.

peace
yaqovzadeek
aka James the Just

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