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alex2165

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The Tithes

Recently I start to hear calls for donation drive and sometimes even entire sermons have been dedicated to this issue, and not only in my church. And I hear them using the same phrase during their pleading for money, “preaching” over and over again,” GOD loves cheerful giver”. This phrase become almost like a slogan and like proverb for them. So, I took a look at the Bible to find out what it actually means.
The phrase was taking out from 2Corinthains 9.6-7

It seems to me that Paul, like in the number of other of his writings kept the same theme, and in this particular case his theme was about money at all, but about good deeds of faith in the name of the Lord, of which he sometimes presented himself as an example, rejecting money completely out of the ministry of Christ, as the Christ Himself and his apostles did, and as all their early followers have done.

At least on two occasion Paul proudly mentioned that he by doing his trade of making tents, not only supported himself financially and materially, but also able to support and his companions in ministry, and by this he set a good example for all godly conscience people to do the same. He mentioned the number of time that he never been a financial burden to any one or to any church.

This phrase of Paul about cheerful giver does not related to donation of money or to tithes in any way as the church using it in their favor. The church twisted and edited the meaning of Paul words and his entire theme of self-reliance and self-support, to sufficiently provide for yourself and for others and not idling, and to avoid reliance purely on money or on the help of the church in the missionary work for Christ.

Concerning tithes, I found about 14 places in the Bible, some of which does not specify the context of tithes, but some does, and here some of them:

Deuteronomy 14.22-24.28
22.You shall surely tithe all the produce from what you sow which comes out of the field every year.
23.And you shall eat in the presence of the Lord your GOD, at the place where He chooses to establish His name, the tithe of your grain, your new wine, your oil, and the first-born of your herd and your flock, in order that you may learn to fear the Lord your GOD always.
24.And if the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your GOD chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your GOD blesses you,
28.At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit it in your town.

Deuteronomy 26.12
12.When you have finished paying all the tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan, and to the widow, that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.

2Chronicles 31.5-6.12
5.And as soon as the order spread, the sons of Israel provided in abundance the first fruits of grain, new wine, oil, honey, and of all the produce of the field, and they brought in abundantly the tithe of all.
6.And the sons of Israel and Judah who lived in the cities of Judah, also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of sacred gifts which were consecrated to the Lord their GOD, and placed them in heaps.
12.And they faithfully brought in the contributions, and the tithes, and the consecrated things, and Conaniah the Levite was the officer in charge of them, and his brother Shimei was second.

Nehemiah 10.37-38
37.We will also bring the first of our dough, our contributions, the fruit of every tree, the new wine, and the oil, to the priests at the chambers of the House of our GOD, and the tithe of our ground to the Levites, the Levites are they who receive the tithes in all the rural towns.
38.And the priest the sons of Aaron, shall be with the Levites when the Levites receive tithes, and the Levites shall bring up the tenth of the tithes to the House of our GOD, to the chambers of the storehouse.

Nehemiah 12.44
44.On that day men were also appointed over the chambers for the stores, the contributions, the first fruits, and the tithes, to gather into them from the fields of the cities the portions required by the Law, for the priests and Levites, Judah rejoiced over the priests and Levites who served.

Nehemiah 13.4-5
4.No prior to this, Eliashib the priest, who was appointed over the chambers of the House of our GOD, being related to Tobiah,
5.had prepared a large room for him, where formerly they put the grain offerings, the frankincense, the utensils, and the tithes of grain, wine and oil, prescribed for Levites, the singers, and the gatekeepers, and the contributions for the priests.

Matthew 23.23
23.”Woe to you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you tithe, mint, and dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: Justice, and Mercy, and Faithfulness, these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.”
(1Samuel 15.22) (Psalm 51.16-17) (Proverbs 21.3.27) (Ecclesiastes 5.1) (Hosea 6.6) (Isaiah 1.11-20) (Jeremiah 6.20) (Amos 5.21-24) (Micah 6.6-8) (Zechariah 7.2-4.9-10) (Matthew 9.13, 12.7, 23.23) (Mark 12.32-33)

Luke 11.42
42.”But woe to you Pharisees! You pay tithe of mint and rue ("rue - from its thick and fleshly leaves". KSB, Greek Dictionary of the New Testament, page 57), and every kind garden herb, and yet disregard justice and the love of GOD, but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

As it clear indicated above, tithe has nothing to do with money, but had been collected from the field and from animal stock and given to Levites as their food while they serve the Lord, and excess of it have been given to the poor.

By analyzing the statements above, I can clearly see the hypocrisy of the church on this issue, similar to that as they have done with many other statements of the Bible which they reshaped, bend, and twisted in order to meet and to fit their own standards, doctrines, slogans, dogmas, and the most of all greed for money.

But I believe that instead of collecting something that are not tithes and shamelessly passing donation plate “up to the nose of people”, church actually has right to collect a certain “tax” for its up-keeping and maintenance, but not for payroll to anyone who serve in the church, and shall not collect 10% from their members.

The monetary tax was established at the time of Tabernacle and the Temple of Solomon, later Herod’s Temple, to keep it in good shape, but again, not for the payroll to the priests or any other servants of the Temple as it became common practice in today’s churches.

Concerning Abraham and Melchizedek king of Salem, Abraham gave him 10% of his booty, not money, because Melchizedek was a priest of GOD Most High. Today we don’t have such priests, we have Jesus Christ as the high Priests of GOD, and He does not need or collect any money from anyone, but the only thing He truly need and expecting from us are the Justice, Mercy, Faithfulness, and Love for Him and for one another as it mentioned above, and to follow His commandments and statutes, and these are His “tithes” that He expecting from us to collect.

Alex
 
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1 Corinthians: 9. 13. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the alter are partakers with the alter? 14. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


Luke: 21. 1. And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury. 2. And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. 3. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: 4. For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

Philippians: 4. 14. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction. 15. Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only. 16. For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. 17. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. 18. But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. 19. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Malachi: 3. 6. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Genesis: 28. 17. And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven. 18. And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19. And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20. And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21. So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22. And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Galatians: 3. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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Many people state the tithe is not monetary.

Stones and Silver and Gold have been used as a means of trade since the Bronze age ,still livestock was used as well.

Solomon had vast amounts of Gold.

Even if we construe that the trade of that day is not the same means it still has the same meaning.

We use debit cards rather than cash is there a difference between them in monetary value?

A Pastor should not have to ask for funding for the Church,it is a awkward thing to do.

As well it reflects the heart of the congregation and what their priorities are.

2 of my favorite Preachers never begged for money from anyone and their Churches are debt free.

Faith starts by believing in those you minister to will see to the needs of the Church.

Acts: 2. 42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45. And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47. Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
 
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You are mixing apples and oranges.

Find in my post any passage where tithes are presented as money?
Also, tithe is not a tax, tithe comes from the land and from herd, but the tax for the Tabernacle for example was only a 20 gerahs, which is monetary value.

Money, until very recently, never had numerical value in the past but only value of weight value, and any numerical presentation of gerahs or shekels actually is their weight.

So the point is, that tithes and tax have nothing to do with one another, they are two different issues and two different commandments.
 
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Paul makes it clear that he has a right to be paid for his services in the Gospel (1 Co 9:14) he gives up this right in the Corinthian Church because he wants to place no obstacle but Christ and him Crucified before them (1 Co 9:12)

However he receives partnership in Macedonia from the Philippians (4:15) and hopes that as the Philippians continue in their faithful giving that it is a sign of the fruit of their repentance. (4:17)

Not to mention that he charges Timothy to make sure that those who labour diligently in the ministry of the Gospel receive payment in kind (1 Tim 5:17ff)

I think the question for those who do spruik the so called prosperity gospel is "are they really labouring in the Gospel." They certainly disqualify themselves from the office they hold by their love of money (1 Tim 3:3)
 
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You forgot "fear God". That command has never changed, and God still claims the first tenth of all our increase...and for Christians, it's even more....100 percent given to God.
 
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From the posts I read here it is very clear and evident to me that you simply ignored the Biblical meaning and the definition of the tithes which I posted.

Nowhere in my post or in entire Bible tithes have been ever related to money, or converted to the monetary values.

It looks to me that you much prefer to stay with tradition of men but not with tradition of GOD.

Well, good luck with your monetary tithes which would not do you any good, because this is not that the GOD expecting from us, but He expecting the compassion, mercy, and love in terms of helping others by all means possible and with all things that the Lord GOD blessed you, except money, and this is will be your true tithes.

Above all, tithes from the field and the herd have been collected only for Levites, and excess of it have been donated to the poor.

Our pastors today and all the clergy of the church are not Levites, and do not serve GOD as Levites did, and have nothing in common with Levitical rules and regulation.

The church took out of the Law of Moses only those things which benefit the church, and the rest have been discarded as no use for them.

And this is why the hypocrites of the church always take from the Law such things as “GOD loves cheerful giver” or “do not block the ox when it treads” and other similar passages, and at the same time declaring the that Law of Moses was “nailed to the cross” and they teach that it has no longer any value or use for the Christians because they are under the Law of Christ, and they teach people other similar lies that the church spread around.
 
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